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[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Confirming that many Atheists are fanatics. I got banned from the Atheists forums for saying that you can't discount the existence of a god with science, that the two could potentially be related.

They banned me for "causing trouble" and moved my posts to Christian naughty corner which they call Fantasy Island lol.

I'm an atheist btw. What I was trying to say was with ongoing studies relating to our potentially being in a computerized simulator or multiple universes and our incomplete understanding of the universe, especially quantum mechanics, that you can't 100% say there is no god, though you can show lots of lots of evidence to suggest there is not one.

But even hinting to those Atheists that there could be something like a god got the same reaction that suggesting there was no god to a religious fanatic might get you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not trying to stir anything nor really care for sources, but what evidence suggests God doesn't exist? Besides people claiming because evil happens he doesn't exist or because science can "theorize" on something marvelous that God doesn't exist because if he did we wouldn't figure out how he works? More or less, trying to figure out what you mean by that comment.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not trying to stir anything nor really care for sources, but what evidence suggests God doesn't exist? Besides people claiming because evil happens he doesn't exist or because science can "theorize" on something marvelous that God doesn't exist because if he did we wouldn't figure out how he works? More or less, trying to figure out what you mean by that comment.

Well really the lack of evidence he does exist and the many discrepancies between what we know to be facts of science now and the things which the bible says.

[dreama1]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Confirming that many Atheists are fanatics. I got banned from the Atheists forums for saying that you can't discount the existence of a god with science, that the two could potentially be related.

They banned me for "causing trouble" and moved my posts to Christian naughty corner which they call Fantasy Island lol.

I'm an atheist btw. What I was trying to say was with ongoing studies relating to our potentially being in a computerized simulator or multiple universes and our incomplete understanding of the universe, especially quantum mechanics, that you can't 100% say there is no god, though you can show lots of lots of evidence to suggest there is not one.

But even hinting to those Atheists that there could be something like a god got the same reaction that suggesting there was no god to a religious fanatic might get you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except it is ignorant. You can say the exact same thing for faeries, dragons or santa. People like to stay claiming that the possibility of something existing is equivalent to 'evidence' for that thing existing. Very unscientific indeed.

[dreama1]

By the way, morality is not universal, it is relative.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by dreama1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except it is ignorant. You can say the exact same thing for faeries, dragons or santa. People like to stay claiming that the possibility of something existing is equivalent to 'evidence' for that thing existing. Very unscientific indeed.

I disagree. You have to define what a 'god' is. If as some people suspect and there is some evidence to show its possible, that we are in a computer simulation, then the creator of that simulation would be akin to a god.

That we're ignorant of how its possible for a particle to spontaneously appear out of nowhere or to exist at different places at the same time which really goes against all our ideas of normal matter and reality shows us that we can't assume even more spectacular mysteries exist.

We still have no idea what and where dark matter and dark energy are and is? There are lots of mysteries still. Claiming "there is no god" without evidence of 'no god' or claiming "there is a god" without evidence of a god are the same. Ignorant of our limitations and lack of understanding of the universe.

You can have an opinion, but you cannot claim to have the knowledge just yet.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by Lron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont know 1 atheist who says WITHOUT A DOUBT 100% THERE IS NO GOD. This would instantly be knocked down and argued into oblivion by any other atheist.

Once again, you fucking morons need to learn basic definitions of words before you try to argue against them.

Atheist lack a belief in a god or gods because we see no evidence that supports these claims....this is not a declarative statement that THERE IS NO GOD.

I dont believe that atheist forum story either as it was told.

Its a true story, go read it on Atheists Australia, just google Zygote404, that was me before I got banned.

[dreama1]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree. You have to define what a 'god' is. If as some people suspect and there is some evidence to show its possible, that we are in a computer simulation, then the creator of that simulation would be akin to a god.

That we're ignorant of how its possible for a particle to spontaneously appear out of nowhere or to exist at different places at the same time which really goes against all our ideas of normal matter and reality shows us that we can't assume even more spectacular mysteries exist.

We still have no idea what and where dark matter and dark energy are and is? There are lots of mysteries still. Claiming "there is no god" without evidence of 'no god' or claiming "there is a god" without evidence of a god are the same. Ignorant of our limitations and lack of understanding of the universe.

You can have an opinion, but you cannot claim to have the knowledge just yet.

The point is you cannot, as you are claiming, use the possibility of something existing as evidence for that existing. The null hypothesis in society which is completely fucking retarded is that there is a god. There is no supernatural phenomenon, just supernatural interpretations of phenomenon, i.e., including 'god'.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well really the lack of evidence he does exist and the many discrepancies between what we know to be facts of science now and the things which the bible says.

Nah, evidence he does exist =/ evidence he doesn't exist. Discrepancies are only there because people who's only goal in life are to try and prove he doesn't exist grasp at straws or un-relevant things (hence one of my earlier posts someone commented on). Interesting though, they just discovered a tomb in Israel I think it was that has a timeline exact with the Bible of when the King lived, and yet there is still people yelling heresy and calling it fake.

Point it, there isn't any credible evidence that suggests he doesn't exist. The same could really be said for the other side, though, I think more theoretical ideas lean towards the idea that a God does exist. For example, the simulation idea you presented.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by dreama1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is you cannot, as you are claiming, use the possibility of something existing as evidence for that existing. The null hypothesis in society which is completely fucking retarded is that there is a god. There is no supernatural phenomenon, just supernatural interpretations of phenomenon, i.e., including 'god'.

What the fuck are you talking about. Most the things we believe in this world are base of what you just mentioned. Look at most our scientific studies are all theories, not fact.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

I hate atheists because I am a nihilist, and they create fake ethical codes that mirror that of religion itself and attempt to ram it down everyone's collective throat... In short atheists are just as preachy as Christians, just as arrogant as Jews, just as prone to bullshit as Muslims etc. would rather deal with a hindu.

Also they all look like this:

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