Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[dreama1]

Originally Posted by Lron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On what planet, in what solar system and in which galaxy would locking a child in a basement and torturing it for decades ever be considered "moral"?

Go back 300 years, hell go to some countries right now.

Originally Posted by Lron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Science can prove with empirical evidence what is good for human well being.

got prof?

There is no 'science of morality.' That is complete bullshit. Morality is largely a social phenomenon with some biological underpinnings.

Originally Posted by Lron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you dont define human morality as "what can maximize human freedom and minimize human suffering" then you are not defining morality correctly and there is no need to argue with you.
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"what can maximize human freedom and minimize human suffering" is the most absurd & vague statement I have ever heard in my life. Let me guess, sam harris?

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by dreama1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go back 300 years, hell go to some countries right now.



got prof?

There is no 'science of morality.' That is complete bullshit. Morality is largely a social phenomenon with some biological underpinnings.



"what can maximize human freedom and minimize human suffering" is the most absurd & vague statement I have ever heard in my life. Let me guess, sam harris?

If it was good for our species survival to burn every 3rd baby alive then our society would have evolved to burn every 3rd baby alive.

Any detractors would have long ago been bred out of the gene pool as they suffered from the negative effects of not burning.

In big cities we walk past families and individuals all the time who often starve or freeze to death on the streets.

Both are horrid things. One you accept as moral one you wouldn't. Morality is fickle like human kindness.

[Rhuma7]

I would like to remind those in this thread that...You wouldn't argue micro-economics with a 2 year old because they dont have the mental capacity to give an educated response nor should you expect one.

Arguing with religious folk would fall under the same analogy and you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying.

Religious people are brought up on it and have been fed it since before they could even read a bedtime story, never even mind the bible.

You will NEVER, EVER change their way of thinking.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by Rhuma7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to remind those in this thread that...You wouldn't argue micro-economics with a 2 year old because they dont have the mental capacity to give an educated response nor should you expect one.

Arguing with religious folk would fall under the same analogy and you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying.

Religious people are brought up on it and have been fed it since before they could even read a bedtime story, never even mind the bible.

You will NEVER, EVER change their way of thinking.

I was bought up going to church (Mormon) and all that crap, saying grace, praying, got baptised. When I got older I thought logically about god and decided it was more than likely not true. I think a lot of people make that decision as well. There is hope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was bought up going to church (Mormon) and all that crap, saying grace, praying, got baptised. When I got older I thought logically about god and decided it was more than likely not true. I think a lot of people make that decision as well. There is hope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm Mormon, and have given a million and 1 logical reasons without once touching upon the Mormon religion to the existence of a higher being, and I guarantee your "logic" thoughts aren't logic, and that reasoning is because of previous posts from you already that weren't logical. If you are happy though good for you, but don't try and bring others done with your ill-informed logic, that's all that matters.

Inb4 Mormon jokes

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Rhuma7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to remind those in this thread that...You wouldn't argue micro-economics with a 2 year old because they dont have the mental capacity to give an educated response nor should you expect one.

Arguing with religious folk would fall under the same analogy and you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying.

Religious people are brought up on it and have been fed it since before they could even read a bedtime story, never even mind the bible.

You will NEVER, EVER change their way of thinking.

Hmmm I wonder why that is derp derp derp

Don't try and hide your ignorance/arrogance with comments that try and degrade the intelligence of people that believe in something. You are like so many other people in this thread that chime in to give your 2cents about how much more superior you guys are then those that believe in something yet you don't even try to sound somewhat educated nor do anything to refute any points except trying to belittle someone in an attempt to make yourself better. The hypocrisy of your post is amusing though, I give you that.

[Rhuma7]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmmm I wonder why that is derp derp derp

Don't try and hide your ignorance/arrogance with comments that try and degrade the intelligence of people that believe in something. You are like so many other people in this thread that chime in to give your 2cents about how much more superior you guys are then those that believe in something yet you don't even try to sound somewhat educated nor do anything to refute any points except trying to belittle someone in an attempt to make yourself better. The hypocrisy of your post is amusing though, I give you that.

Struck a nerve, did I?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Rhuma7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Struck a nerve, did I?

Sure

[Rhuma7]

It's really hard to think someone with a belief in any religion is intelligent. It's really quite ignorant to believe in any religion.

If you feel there's a god, the only real intelligent belief is to be atheist because, well, there's quite a lot of religions in the world and the odds that you just happen to pick the right one is quite, arrogant.

You believe what you believe because you're here and their there. You're in the same boat as those suicide bombing jihad nutjobs in the middle east all thinking you're following the right delusion because you can't accept you're nobody and you're always going to be a nobody. No higher power gives a shit if you open a door for someone or escort grandma across the street or you do/dont fuck your sister.

You keep praying and believing brother because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter in the slightest whether you do or dont.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Rhuma7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really hard to think someone with a belief in any religion is intelligent. It's really quite ignorant to believe in any religion.

If you feel there's a god, the only real intelligent belief is to be atheist because, well, there's quite a lot of religions in the world and the odds that you just happen to pick the right one is quite, arrogant.

You believe what you believe because you're here and their there. You're in the same boat as those suicide bombing jihad nutjobs in the middle east all thinking you're following the right delusion because you can't accept you're nobody and you're always going to be a nobody. No higher power gives a shit if you open a door for someone or escort grandma across the street or you do/dont fuck your sister.

You keep praying and believing brother because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter in the slightest whether you do or dont.

Aww I see, you don't think God exists because why would such a superior being waste any time on us, such a pathetic race, because nothing good has ever happened in your pathetic waste of space self on this Earth because you are crap and keep making yourself crappier and if he gave a crap about us he would dig you out of the worthless hole you dug yourself in and keep digging bigger and bigger?

If God exists, you don't know how he works, so don't sit here and assume you do. Don't you assume you do and don't know what I believe.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter, you are right, because I do good everyday and pray in hopes for answers to be prayed. Thank God that I don't have a life like yours.