Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There has to be a force behind the start of the universe. Its undeniable.

No, there does not HAVE to be a force behind the start of the universe. I'm denying it.

WHAT NOW

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, there does not HAVE to be a force behind the start of the universe. I'm denying it.

WHAT NOW

You'll just have to live with the fact that you're wrong. Other than that. Nothing.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'll just have to live with the fact that you're wrong. Other than that. Nothing.

I can totally live with that! It's actually be working out pretty splendidly so far!

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can totally live with that! It's actually be working out pretty splendidly so far!

Good for you. I'm not here to judge.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good for you. I'm not here to judge.

You were here to judge my beliefs about the origin of the universe, though? You sound pretty confident that I'm wrong.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were here to judge my beliefs about the origin of the universe, though? You sound pretty confident that I'm wrong.

That's not a judgment on you. Its just a fact that you were wrong. Nothing personal. We're all wrong quite often. Don't take it so hard.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not a judgment on you. Its just a fact that you were wrong. Nothing personal. We're all wrong quite often. Don't take it so hard.

You keep using this word, "fact." I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, there does not HAVE to be a force behind the start of the universe. I'm denying it.

WHAT NOW

How rational and scientific of you to come to such a conclusion. Materialism and moral relativity are what lead you to believe that if you deny something it negates the truth of it?

Even in scientific terms there would have to be a force/first cause for something to come from nothing essentially which is a huge leap in logic. It is absolutely absurd for a person to conclude that the universe and all of creation has design and purpose but it is perfectly rational to assume that everything that exist sprang from nothing and self organized itself into such a way as to make everything work in harmony. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rhuma7]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, there does not HAVE to be a force behind the start of the universe. I'm denying it.

WHAT NOW

Who created god? Who created the creator of god? Who created the creator of the creator of god? X Infinite.

There has to be a force behind the start of the universe. Its undeniable.

Upon reading this thought process it would actually be logical that in fact there was nothing and nothing created itself. Now, as a logical critical thinking minded, Agnostic as myself would have to believe that just can't be possible but with that in mind, that is clearly the only way anything could be possible, God or no god.

The universe is expanding faster than the speed of light from the big bang and something was festering in the center of the universe, expanding and contracting til its inevitable explosion.

[Versch]

Originally Posted by Rhuma7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Upon reading this thought process it would actually be logical that in fact there was nothing and nothing created itself. Now, as a logical critical thinking minded, Agnostic as myself would have to believe that just can't be possible but with that in mind, that is clearly the only way anything could be possible, God or no god.

The universe is expanding faster than the speed of light from the big bang and something was festering in the center of the universe, expanding and contracting til its inevitable explosion.

I'm of the opinion that we're limited by our own minds. The concept of beginning and end is so ingrained in everything we know, that that is all we know and we cannot escape that convention. The universe may not even be contained by a "beginning" or "end". Of course, now we're venturing into some theoretical crap.