Noble Dojorn Timers

[Erati]

Originally Posted by phiren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd prefer to throw it up to a C/FFA/R rotation like everything else. Putting it up on C / FFA / R gives every guild an incentive to leave the other mobs up to get through the cycle quicker.

The 'your sky day' is just not clear enough for a couple reasons:
#1) Saturday / Sunday / Monday are double days
#2) Other Class R Guilds that do not have Sky days might want to get in on this

I just don't see what the trouble is with FFA / C / R ... other than stirring up the entire debate AGAIN as to whether FFA / C / R is the right thing to be doing in the first place.

Noble gives an FTE shout (he did a month or so ago)... clearly the GMs saw this is an important "Raid Mob".. so why not count it as a Raid Mob like the other Raid Mobs?

~Phiren
Azure Guard

necroing this response...well said Phiren

QFT

[bktroost]

That would mean we would need lockouts as well... I think 2 months of dedication to make this "experiment" work should be enough to show you, Deru and Sirken and Rogean, that we DO care enough about this mob and the drops he has to give it attention. I know Velious is like priority #1 in every regard, but some of the quest items in sky are extremely good even in Velious era. This HAS to be given some attention.


Until that time comes, let me see if we can get some clarity on what to do about the immediate.

TMO instigated an aggressive move against IB. IB retaliated and Taken seized an opportunity. If we can suppose for a moment that the agreement is still standing then these 3 guilds violated that--regardless of their reasoning.

The immediate solution is to say "If IB, TMO and Taken all agree to NOT kill OOAs unanimously then we will be back on track," at least until we get word from Sirken. This is our own option as of right now and it benefits everyone.

Can we agree to this small patch while we actively work to make things better in a permanent way?

[-Catherin-]

Taken can't be in violation of an agreement that is not longer an agreement. If we know that other Guilds are going to kill the overseers and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit, then we are not going to just sit and watch it happen.

I am personally not inclined to go back to how it was, because how it was didn't work. It will very well end up the same way. Spawn multiple overseers, couple guilds feel snubbed for one reason or another and retaliates by killing them.

Like I said, back to the drawing board.

[Splorf22]

Simply put, there is no stick here. Taken, IB, and TMO have proven that they don't mind sitting on the spawn point spamming for FTE. And Noble is not on variance, so its not nearly as bad as most.

Meanwhile the carrot has not really materialized, and that's what has me so sad about this whole business. We were about to get 3+ OOAs up which is when we would really start to flood the server with nobles.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we can suppose for a moment that the agreement is still standing

There was a presupposition. Obviously it is not still in effect or we'd have Nobles.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am personally not inclined to go back to how it was, because how it was didn't work.

Like I said, back to the drawing board.

I agree and disagree. It did work better than FTEing clickfest. I'd like to try to keep the OOAs going for now while we campaign to get some results from Rogean/Sirken.

[-Catherin-]

I think one of the things that needs to happen before we can get back to this is that every guild needs to share in this equally. we had several guilds rotating spawns but then several other guilds that would not take part and only kill nobles on their day, and other guilds days as well.

if everyone shared equally in the rotation, then they would share equally in the fallout should someone decide to kill the overseers again. This would discourage them from doing so themselves if they actually shared in the collateral with the rest of us that were trying to rotate them.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think one of the things that needs to happen before we can get back to this is that every guild needs to share in this equally. we had several guilds rotating spawns but then several other guilds that would not take part and only kill nobles on their day, and other guilds days as well.

if everyone shared equally in the rotation, then they would share equally in the fallout should someone decide to kill the overseers again. This would discourage them from doing so themselves if they actually shared in the collateral with the rest of us that were trying to rotate them.

Because sharing everything else on the server has worked our so well.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because sharing everything else on the server has worked our so well.

I know its probably a pipe dream Chest. Just stating what probably would need to happen if there is to be any real hope of this working.

Im not holding my breath on the C/R/FFA thing

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know its probably a pipe dream Chest. Just stating what probably would need to happen if there is to be any real hope of this working.

Im not holding my breath on the C/R/FFA thing

It's absolutely a pipe dream. Unless there's an enforceable policy there never going to be anything to stop a defector from smashing any player made agreement to bits.