ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about when Rob's men show up with the letter legitimizing him? The argument would be, if Jon swore his oath to the night's watch as a bastard of the north, then became something else, the oath would no longer hold. This is just as true if he finds out he's a Targaryen. Jon Snow swore that oath, but Jon Snow would no longer exist.

"the realm" never recognized Robb as King, even if most of the north did. The line of kings goes Aerys, Robert, Joffrey, Tommen. Anything that Robb did as "king" would not be considered a legitimate kings edict by the realm, hence, Robb's letter doesn't mean shit, especially since at the time Jon was a sworn brother of the nights watch. the nights watch doesnt care about family names or blood lines, the man swore an oath. if it was as easy as changing a name, folks would leave all the time.

also, Robb was an idiot. and off the battlefield made every possible wrong decision that he could have made.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hence, Robb's letter doesn't mean shit, especially since at the time Jon was a sworn brother of the nights watch.

Strength can define legitimacy. It's like the right of conquest but for letters I suppose. If the Grand Northern Conspiracy pans out, there's a lot of muscle that might be backing that letter.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, Robb was an idiot. and off the battlefield made every possible wrong decision that he could have made.

Agreed 100%... He played a great hand as poorly as one could. Executing Borat Karstark (don't recall his name) pissed me off about as much as anything in the books. Alienating bannermen, pissing off supporters... A day's work for the King in the North.