Chardok AoE Groups and the Rules

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe they thought you guys were going to wipe and were trying to save you?

Lol

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Concussion doesn't seem to be that effective anyways.

Concussion will reverse snap agro if it puts you off the top of the hate list - if it lands and bumps you off the top of the list the mob will instantly move to the next toon down. Its best used when you stun a mob when hes high HP either to interrupt a caster youre pulling or to stop a mob from beating on a group member he shouldn't. During the stun duration hit him with a concussion and you will get bumped down the list. Its also good when you have to chain nuke and you toss it in between to keep your hate down. Its only 25 mana and a very short cast time.

Its not really meant for instant agro drop. You have to use it preemptively. It doesn't work against Kunark raid mobs but it becomes useful in Velious raid. Its an awesome spell.

[Daldaen]

Wat? Concussion should remove aggro even if it resist. Atleast it did during PoP.

Time to investimagate.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wat? Concussion should remove aggro even if it resist. Atleast it did during PoP.

Time to investimagate.

To the Research Mobile!

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Daldaen keeps bringing up the lack of item loot on red. As I remember it, the PvP server I spent my EQ live time on had item loot removed before Kunark came out. Seems classic to me.

August 2004 Patch

Players killed in PvP combat will now spawn in Shadowrest with full equipment. A naked corpse will remain in the location they died for 3 hours. Note that this effectively removes item loot from Rallos Zek. With the addition of no drop augments it became rather trivial to effectively remove item loot from the server anyway, and we felt the benefits of the new death system outweigh the benefits of an item loot system.

Item loot was removed after LDoN when people could put no drop augments in everything to prevent item loot all together...

Not Kunark. Not even close.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To the Research Mobile!

Eh I dunno, seems silly to even investigate. Think about it this way:

Do melee generate hate on swings that miss -- yes
Do casters generate hate on spells that resist -- yes

Ergo, concussion should reduce aggro even if resist. Aggro things factor in before resist check does. And for all I know it may function like that on this server... But it's a pointless spell for most purposes during Kunark since people can mallet or puppet strings on mobs that matter, and mobs that don't matter you aren't going to be burning so hard to pull aggro. But from 2003:

Graffe 2003

Conclusion: I can now hope to conclude that, without a doubt, the concussion spell works even when resisted, to the full extent. This question should be answered for all wizards now and forever, without need for dispute. I intend to post screens/logs to amend the validity of this test, should it be needed.

[Duncon]

I played on a team PvP (TZ I think) server and item loot was removed before or during Velious as I never played long enough to see the next expansion.

[Tuljin]

Its a pain to test and not really worth it. I've been the only wizard on small sub-12 man raids many times and I've survived agro to finish off a boss thanks to rune and some awesome patch heals. With the 32k Hp mobs its easy to just start ripping lures at 50% or so and you'll be fine. On larger raids 18+ it changes a bit cause hate is spread out over more toons and its easier to be high on the hate list and catch agro, but still mobs drop fast enough its not too much of an issue. In dungeons I use it all the time.

[Kingore]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even droga is a shitshow. I took some BDA to AE the zone yesterday and there were no less than 7 people who weren't invited that refused to leave because they wanted to mooch some faction hits on our pulls.

Can we go back to talking about how Chest refuses to help any non BDA? Cancer of the server, if you ask me.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Kingore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we go back to talking about how Chest refuses to help any non BDA? Cancer of the server, if you ask me.

Hi have you met Class R?