Michael Brown

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have any facts. You claim to you refute peoples points, but you don't, then claim you are right without giving any reasons, then tell people to shut up unless they prove something they already did prove, or just think you are dumb. You then claim that several people are on your side, but they aren't.

In English please?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You hate abrahamic people, the south, and thugs?

So your prototypical evil is T.I. or Ludacris?

Texas Instruments?

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh and you're against bigotry but pro bigotry, makes a ton of sense.

Fight fire with fire. It's kind of like when the US joined WWII to end it.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Texas Instruments?


Fight fire with fire. It's kind of like when the US joined WWII to end it.

The US joined WWII because of Pearl Harbor numbnutz, and you don't know T.I.? Dat ***** from ATL? Shyit

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I know you're trolling me with the internet equivalent of a "sphincter say's what?", but I'll bite anyways.

You said that it is a good idea to force people engage in private actions they find objectionable. EX: make a cake and support a wedding you find morally wrong. This is called "compelled speech," and it is grossly unconstitutional. You called this "freedom." I am here because that is anything but freedom. It's a bad idea through and through and it cuts against our deepest legal traditions.

heh nah, I'm not trying to bate you.

I think you are misconstruing what it is that I was saying which is fine but let me try to clarify, the laws are designed so that if you're a business vs a church, you are not allowed to discriminate. Sure people do it often, but no its not legal and I am all for that. Churches can play the freedom of religion card, and that's fine, that's why were all here in the first place. But a business cannot.

Obviously some situations will come up, and be totally bullshit sure.. but in general it seems that ALL of those situations revolve around a black person or a gay, or a minority group having their rights stripped from them, as opposed to some christian that hates a group of people and they feel oppressed because they want to discriminate freely. O

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Texas Instruments?

No he thinks that rapper T.I. and Ludacris are thugs. Which is pretty racist...

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No he thinks that rapper T.I. and Ludacris are thugs. Which is pretty racist...

Haha they call themselves thugs, and you didn't pick up on the fact that all of those comments were me being facetious? lol

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but no its not legal

There are (as of my last off-the-cuff count) three jurisdictions where the law "allows" compelled speech as it happened in the bakery case: Colorado, New Mexico, and Washington State. There is still a massive constitutional issue with those laws, and they have yet to go before the Supreme Court. Yes, it is still extremely legal in the vast majority of the U.S. and sexual orientation is not a federally protected class for situations such as this.

minority group having their rights stripped from them

Denial of service is not stripping rights. You have no right to be guaranteed service by private individuals. This is deeply entrenched in our law; contract law is rife with situations that forbid specific performance of a contract because it would amount to compelled speech or involuntary servitude.

In the case of the bakery, there were dozens of alternatives. The couple lost nothing by being denied service. Their feelings were hurt, and that's it. In fact, the end result of the case was exactly the same as if they had been refused service without suing or had never found the bakery. The bakery closed down without giving them a cake!

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be honest, I don't even know where you stand. Or what it is you're looking for.

But if you think a merchant can discriminate, you're wrong. They cant. They'll loose bro. If you think that's Nazi fascism, then you just being cray cray.

If some bigot lost their bakery because they were being shitty to customers am I supposed to fucking qq over that? I could give a fuck. Same way I would if a bakery shut down because it didn't clean up its kitchen and was filthy. Its just another shitty business that failed because its owners were idiots.

Hey this is america, some business's can say 'i hate gays' and they'll get thousands of Christians to come to their restaurant & petition to have a chick fil a holiday. Some others will say fuck that business and stop using their product.

I think you've missed the point here. Should you QQ that a bakery closed down, one that was refusing to bake cake's for homosexual marriages? No, that's nonsense.

What I think is equally as crazy is the government forcing me to do something I disagree with. Especially if I'm not receiving tax free status, government funding, etc.

Should you QQ at the government forcing someone to do something against their beliefs? Absolutely. I can only imagine the outrage if/when the pendulum swings the other way. Do you think government would force an atheist to bake me a cake that says "Jesus is the one and only Savior"? Can you imagine the outrage?

He should have his right to say, "no thanks, that's really not something I would like to do". At which point I should shop/find someone else to vote for with my dollars.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are (as of my last off-the-cuff count) three jurisdictions where the law "allows" compelled speech as it happened in the bakery case: Colorado, New Mexico, and Washington State. There is still a massive constitutional issue with those laws, and they have yet to go before the Supreme Court. Yes, it is still extremely legal in the vast majority of the U.S. and sexual orientation is not a federally protected class for situations such as this.

Denial of service is not stripping rights. You have no right to be guaranteed service by private individuals. This is deeply entrenched in our law; contract law is rife with situations that forbid specific performance of a contract because it would amount to compelled speech or involuntary servitude.

In the case of the bakery, there were dozens of alternatives. The couple lost nothing by being denied service. Their feelings were hurt, and that's it. In fact, the end result of the case was exactly the same as if they had been refused service without suing or had never found the bakery. The bakery closed down without giving them a cake!

I dono man I cant just go on and on with you about this.. if you think it sucks for the white Christians that they got a taste of what its like to have a bunch of people treat them like shit because of their faith or something they think they fundamentally cant change the maybe they might know what it feels like to be gay. Fuck em... Good beats evil.

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

I still don't really know what you're talking about with compelled speech ill admit, you have to be more clear. But I think you're wasting your energy fighting for shit that doesn't need fighting for. But whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In English please?

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