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[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who said I was a liberal? Just because I don't agree with you? You don't know anything about my beliefs and affiliations.

Well, you are opinionated yet ignorant. Argumentative yet can't debate. Calling you a liberal is just a guess, but it is a guess based upon experience.

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean like how you couldn't show me a 2 faction system on Earth where the one faction does not try to discredit the other faction?

I'm sure if I did enough research I'd find a 2 faction system where the 2 groups worked together for a common goal from different directions, without the need to discredit each other. Perhaps the US during WW2? Some Indian tribe? Whether 1 exists or not isn't relevant to what we are arguing about, so I didn't bother to treat this question seriously.

The argument I am making isn't that 2 factions shouldn't try to discredit each other, on the contrary I think that such an adversarial system is better than one where both factions are in a conspiracy of silence. We can't rely on the news media to bring out the bad shit, but we can rely on their fellow politicians to do so since it is in their best interest. Hell, even politicians within the same party will turn on each other like rabid dogs during the primaries.

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's right, you avoided my comment and instead touted some nonsense like this:

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Originally Posted by Bojangles
The problem is that side #1 supports law and order. You know, the shit that keeps a society running. When side #2 opposes that merely because side #1 supports it, then side #2 is no longer a valid political group it is a revolt that needs to be exterminated.

Spouting slogans and opinions you say? You just described yourself to a T.

I think this proves that you are a liberal. You blatantly state that you think it is merely an opinion that law and order is what keeps society running, and that opposing law and order is a perfectly viable stance for a mainstream political party. Are you fucking nuts? Oh wait, we already established that you are a liberal. Same thing.

What I was arguing, and what would have been obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense (i.e. non-liberals), is that although discrediting a faction by taking an opposite stance is an old and effective (even socially useful) tactic, it is not good when the stance is one that is against the good of society.

"X supports raising the retirement age to 70, but Y will keep it the same" is not the same fucking thing as "X supports the people who protect us from criminals, but Y would rather hinder those people and empower criminals."

In the past it has been a joke that all politicians are for education but against crime and poverty. Apparently you liberals are now so desperate, so devoid of common sense, that you are now pro-crime simply due to the police tending to be conservative. What is next, becoming pro poverty simply because the "enemy" is anti poverty?