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[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good enough. Thank you for actually answering honestly. I actually do the same thing with the exception of ruling out anything supernatural. Does that make me dumb? Maybe, but I'm not really that worried about that. I myself have never been able to reconcile the high level of design found in even the lowest forms of life in the natural world with there being no creator. Design to me, must always infer a designer.
Take stone hence for example. No one knows exactly who built it, or exactly when. We have never met and seen whomever it was that built it. But even at with something that seems to be so simple, stones laying on stones in a circle, is not given a purely natural explanation. No reasonable person would deny that stonehenge was designed.

The universe runs on existing laws. It shows design to high a superbly high degree. Otherwise we would not even be able to keep time.

Based on that I cannot reject the idea of a creator. Design comes from intelligence. Also what I have learned in my decades of reading and studying the bible in no way contradicts science. I know this will be a point of contention for most people, but I have not found an area where the bible touches on science (after all, it was never meant to be a scientific textbook) that is inaccurate. Misunderstood, yes, but not actually inaccurate. There are also areas where the bible touches on science and explains things that were no known at the time. To me this is a strong evidence of its source.

I also wanted to point out that I have never shied away from pro evolution books or websites. In fact I find them the most enlightening. I'm currently reading a book from the early 1900's about the formation of the doctrine of evolution.

You comparison is very poor. We know humans build things, we have found tools around Stonehenge along with other objects which place humans there. When was the last time you seen an omnipotent being create something?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You comparison is very poor. We know humans build things, we have found tools around Stonehenge along with other objects which place humans there. When was the last time you seen an omnipotent being create something?

It's irrelevant because even if something was pointed out to you, you would deny. For example, lets say God provided the knowledge or tools to create Stonehenge, you would consider fallacy because he didn't do it with his own hands. There was once a astronomer for example who said that day after day, they could never find anything in space, then one day it was almost as if someone took there hand and moved some kind of invisible wall in space to allow further discovery. Though it was still human discovery, was it not possible for God to assist in such thing because he didn't leave some kind of fingerprint somewhere or some kind of miraculous thing behind to show it was God? You base your belief upon the idea that if God existed the world would be forced into some kind of perfection and that he is so marvelous that faith in him would require miraculous proof.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's irrelevant because even if something was pointed out to you, you would deny. For example, lets say God provided the knowledge or tools to create Stonehenge, you would consider fallacy because he didn't do it with his own hands. There was once a astronomer for example who said that day after day, they could never find anything in space, then one day it was almost as if someone took there hand and moved some kind of invisible wall in space to allow further discovery. Though it was still human discovery, was it not possible for God to assist in such thing because he didn't leave some kind of fingerprint somewhere or some kind of miraculous thing behind to show it was God? You base your belief upon the idea that if God existed the world would be forced into some kind of perfection and that he is so marvelous that faith in him would require miraculous proof.

Absolute dribble. So now you want to credit God with mankind's hard work and achievements? Please provide evidence that supports your claim that an omnipotent being is "providing the knowledge or tools to create". Go on, show me where you have seen a God handing out intellectual property. You might as well be saying a muse from greek mythology inspired all the greatest poetry on Earth. It's nonsense and a cop-out.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Absolute dribble. So now you want to credit God with mankind's hard work and achievements? Please provide evidence that supports your claim that an omnipotent being is "providing the knowledge or tools to create". Go on, show me where you have seen a God handing out intellectual property. You might as well be saying a muse from greek mythology inspired all the greatest poetry on Earth. It's nonsense and a cop-out.

Lol this proves exactly what I pointed out from the thing you quote. To claim anything is Gods work, you would deny anyways. You just supported everything you quoted to the T.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You comparison is very poor. We know humans build things, we have found tools around Stonehenge along with other objects which place humans there. When was the last time you seen an omnipotent being create something?

Who built Stonehenge?