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[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's that word again.

You keep trying to misconstrue my posts.

(powerball) Your chance of winning the lottery on a single ticket is one in 175 million.

Oh shit, I used the word chance. Would you prefer me to substitute the word odds?

The odds of all this world coming about in the perfect combination is 1 in a hugeeeeeeeeeeee fucking number. So what is that chance?

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also its the guy who fucks tralina

Lol

[Patriam1066]

Yeah radditsu is right we all just got troleld the fuck out of for 139 pages

When G13 is 10 pages of a thread it's time to shut 'er down

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by capco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's assume God exists, and that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

-An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.
-An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence, and knows every way in which those evils could be prevented.
-An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
-A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
-If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

However, there is evil in the world.

Therefore, an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God does not exist.

Thatvruns on the assumption that said being would not allow free will of his creations but control their actions.

Also that he is in charge of the world we live in.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah radditsu is right we all just got troleld the fuck out of for 139 pages

When G13 is 10 pages of a thread it's time to shut 'er down

But it's so fun!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

The odds of all this world coming about in the perfect combination is 1 in a hugeeeeeeeeeeee fucking number. So what is that chance?

A huge number that's still much smaller than the number of stars in the universe, still smaller than the number of stars that have planets.

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by capco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's assume God exists, and that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

-An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.
-An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence, and knows every way in which those evils could be prevented.
-An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
-A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
-If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

However, there is evil in the world.

Therefore, an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God does not exist.

That's been tried before:

The Architect was constructed by other machines in a human image to understand the nature of humans. He created the first Matrix as a utopia for the humans whose minds inhabited it to keep them subdued while their body heat was used as energy by the Machines. However, the human minds rejected this first attempt as a perfect world and beta 1 of the Matrix crashed.

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A huge number that's still much smaller than the number of stars in the universe, still smaller than the number of stars that have planets.

It is? Could you provide either of those numbers for me?

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure why I came back to read countless more pages of shit slinging. At the end of the day there are some people who remain open minded and others who have closed down to opposing thoughts.

I stated many pages back that I've spent many years as someone who was confident there was no God. My schooling (college included) led me to an arrogance that we as a species were just that fucking good that we could figure it all out (or even worse, we had it figured out). Since that time I went through some serious searching, doubting, and looking at things for myself.

While the die hard posters here likely won't be convinced one way or another, I'd simply ask the others that you give my view a bit of a look. Take some time to be quiet. Look with an open mind and a desire to understand everything that happens all around us. From the smallest functions of life to the biggest feats of the universe. Take time to digest everything that is taking place.

Can you honestly still say all of the rules, all of the amazing things that operate in harmony, and the wonderful interconnection between all of this that makes our world possible is all just coincidence? The incredible details with such small tolerances for error just happen to be exactly what they needed to be?

If you're able to make that decision, then I see no other word to describe your view than faith. When I look at the exact same amazing coincidences, it all points to an overwhelming abundance of evidence. It wasn't until I was truly willing to challenge what I had been taught the first few decades of my life that I started to see things differently.

Maybe you'll see things in a different light, maybe you won't. I felt I owed it to myself to explore all options, even if they seemed improbable (hell, impossible when I started). I don't post in threads like this to try and prove you guys wrong. Instead, maybe someone else is lurking and perhaps they're someone like me.

Now you may continue with the shit slinging -- if you want to contact me, private message or in game works best. I won't be back to view countless pages of attacks.

You seem to have a true investigative mind. I would say the most rational conclusion to "what does it all mean; how did it all start" is to humbly admit that "I don't know."

When you see beauty in the world, you can feel that emotion in the context of the inspiring mystery that the universe is. You don't have to fill that mystery with "it must be this or that god, and this or that religion." It took a lot of courage for me to finally admit that I would probably never find the big answers.

My view is that there will always be mysteries that the scientific method will probably never have an intelligible model for. I even hope so. However, it doesn't seem particularly useful to immediately fill gaps in knowledge with supernatural ideas.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A huge number that's still much smaller than the number of stars in the universe, still smaller than the number of stars that have planets.

this is just science trying to use its current knowledge to make a guess for people who want to know, Toofliss, but on February 2, 2011, the Kepler Space Observatory Mission team released a list of 1,235 extrasolar planet candidates, including 54 that may be in the "habitable zone."[8][9][10] Based on these latest Kepler findings, astronomer Seth Shostak estimates that "within a thousand light-years of Earth" there are "at least 30,000 of these habitable worlds."[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldilocks_planet

Also the Drake Equation!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation#Usefulness