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[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again no. White people being devout christians is slightly less hypocritical than black people doing so.

Just quoting this since you're obviously trying to deflect from it at this point. They're your words, not mine. If you want to withdraw it, that's fine - and I won't think less of you for it. I'd actually gain some respect for you if you demonstrated the ability to change your mind in real-time.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Is there a language barrier, or are you just jacking off at your own attempted political correctness?

Explain to me how you come to the conclusion that marginalized people directly descended from slaves following a book that explicitly endorses slavery/racism is not hypocrisy.

Or

Explain to me how you come to the conclusion that privileged/racist people directly descended from slave owners following a book that explicitly endorses slavery/racism (their own ideals) is hypocrisy.

[Glenzig]

Consider the following regulations included in the Law given through Moses:


● Kidnapping a man and then selling him was punishable by death. (Exodus 21:16) However, if despite all the provisions made to prevent poverty, an Israelite found himself deeply in debt, perhaps as a result of poor management, he could sell himself as a slave. In some cases he might even be able to earn a surplus by which he could redeem himself.—Leviticus 25:47-52.


● This was not the oppressive kind of slavery that has been common in many lands through the ages. Leviticus 25:39, 40 says: “In case your brother grows poor alongside you and he has to sell himself to you, you must not use him as a worker in slavish service. He should prove to be with you like a hired laborer, like a settler.” So this was a loving provision to care for Israel’s poorest.


● A person found guilty of stealing who was unable to make full restitution according to the Law could be sold as a slave and in this way pay off his debt. (Exodus 22:3) When he had worked off the debt, he could go free.


● Cruel and abusive slavery was not allowed under God’s Law to Israel. While masters were allowed to discipline their slaves, excesses were forbidden. A slave killed by his master was to be avenged. (Exodus 21:20) If the slave was maimed, losing a tooth or an eye, he was set free.—Exodus 21:26, 27.


● The maximum time that any Israelite would have to serve as a slave was six years. (Exodus 21:2) Hebrew slaves were set free in the seventh year of their service. The Law demanded that every 50 years all Israelite slaves p. 29were to be set free nationwide, regardless of how long the individual had been a slave.—Leviticus 25:40, 41.


● When a slave was released, the master was required to be generous toward him. Deuteronomy 15:13, 14 says: “In case you should send him out from you as one set free, you must not send him out empty-handed. You should surely equip him with something from your flock and your threshing floor and your oil and winepress.”


Later, in the days of Jesus and his apostles, slavery was an entrenched practice in the Roman Empire. As Christianity spread, it was inevitable that individuals who were slaves and others who were slave owners would come in contact with the good news and become Christians. Neither Jesus Christ himself nor his apostles preached a gospel of social liberation, as if trying to reform the existing system. Rather, both slaves and slave owners were admonished to love one another as spiritual brothers.—Colossians 4:1; 1 Timothy 6:2.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

White southerners were never slaves. Black southerners are descended from slaves. The bible not only condones but specifically endorses slavery as 'a legitimate practice'.

Do the fucking math you moron.

It seems as if you are changing history. There were plenty of white slaves in antebellum south. The Irish slave trade was thriving in England and the colonies long before the African slave trade. In fact the Irish were viewed as more profitable because of being cheaper than African slaves. And in the Protestant south there was just as much bigotry toward a catholic Irish slave as toward a black African slave.

So there are southern whites that descend from slaves.

[Glenzig]

As is the case with every Bible-related question, the issue of slavery must be considered in context. A careful examination of the Scriptures reveals that God deplores the mistreatment of humans.


Such an examination also reveals that the kind of slavery practiced by God’s people in the Bible is not the cruel and abusive slavery that is envisioned by most people today. And the Bible shows that God will deliver us from all forms of slavery in due time. Then, all mankind will enjoy true freedom.—Isaiah 65:21, 22.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

Ya omitted that part I see.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6)

God approves!

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)

Yet another exception to your 'points'.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)

Kinda contradictory to your little tooth/eye example huh?

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 )

That's the new testament!

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2)

More new testament wholesomeness.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48)

They don't know what's wrong, but beat them anyway. Jesus approves! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[katrik]

You all need jobs.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain to me how you come to the conclusion that marginalized people directly descended from slaves following a book that explicitly endorses slavery/racism is not hypocrisy.

I'm not saying this is not hypocrisy, I'm saying it's no more hypocritical than anyone else doing so. Any suggestion of such is, as I already stated, subtly racist at best.

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain to me how you come to the conclusion that privileged/racist people directly descended from slave owners following a book that explicitly endorses slavery/racism (their own ideals) is hypocrisy.

The practice of slave ownership as commanded by the bible is inherently hypocritical as well as immoral. They claimed virtue and righteousness in their preaching, but turned a blind eye to the people they brutalized and subjugated and raped and murdered. It's also hypocritical to follow these teachings today while claiming to have any kind of morals at all.

[Glenzig]

The Bible gives no indication that the enslavement of humans by other humans was part of God’s original purpose for mankind. Furthermore, no Bible prophecies allude to humans owning fellow humans through slavery in God’s new world. Rather, in that coming Paradise, righteous ones “will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making them tremble.”—Micah 4:4.


Clearly, the Bible does not condone the ill-treatment of others in any form. On the contrary, it encourages respect and equality among men. (Acts 10:34, 35) It exhorts humans to treat others the way that they would like to be treated. (Luke 6:31) Moreover, the Bible encourages Christians humbly to view others as superior, regardless of their social standing. (Philippians 2:3) These principles are totally incongruous with abusive forms of slavery practiced by many nations, especially in recent centuries.

[Patriam1066]

If Christ believed in an afterlife, and if he knew slaves rebelling against their masters would simply be murdered, why wouldn't he advise them to submit to bondage? Why did MLK not advise blacks to fight in a bloody rampage against whites. Practicality is always lost on you idiots. Slave revolts never work. However, if you assume the moral high ground, people generally, as an introspective reaction, tend to see the evil in their ways.

Christ advised the obedience of slaves. That's 1000x better of a strategy than anything you dip shits could come up with. Ask Spartacus or Nat Turner.


Also way to bring back a shitty thread