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[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats the whole point though, that in 2014, such ideologies provided in the book are too antiquated and have no place in a productive society today.



Scientific progress is indeed amazing and those who refuse to learn from everything that our ancestors have achieved are the greatest threat of all.

Oh, but it does. Seventh Day Adventists are healthy because they believe God commands them to maintain a healthy lifestyle. Utah doesn't suffer many social ills in other states, I'd argue that that is related to strong family and community values (Mormon values). Christian charities were the first into Liberia to fight ebola, while you sat at your computer. Religious states in the US donate more to, and are more active in charities.

Gregor Mendel created genetics. Where did he find the resources to study pea plants? Holy shit, he was a monk in a monastery? I guess you don't believe in mendelian genetics anymore because he was associated with the evil catholic church trying to control us all!!!!! Tools

I reiterate: "I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

If you see no value in a religion, then don't follow it. Conversely, if you see some value in parts of it but little in other aspects, incorporate what you will into your life. It is your responsibility, and yours alone, to utilize your brain to decide what is right and wrong in your life. If I decide to go to a house of worship, in my case a Baha'i shrine, why the hell is that any of your business?

I was raised in the religion that my mother taught me, and it would kill her if I left it. So why did I stay? Merely out of respect to her? Not quite. My faith taught me to work hard, to smile in the face of adversity, and to be tolerant. What part of those values do you deem to be evil? If I read them in a philosophy tome or a textbook, would they be inherently more valuable than if they came from scripture? What makes you the arbiter of right and wrong?

The only "religion" that scares me is this incessant desire from liberals and atheists to silence anyone who has a different opinion. What a fucked up world we'd have if you guys had the power to create a society without diversity of opinion, culture or thought. I'll keep praying to my flying spaghetti monster that you never have the capability.

Oh, and there are plenty of countries that have thought police apparatuses. I suggest you move to Iran, China, or Russia; you'd all fit in perfectly. Drones following the queen like in every other hive.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/op...iberia-127563/

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionande...-health/10575/

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, but it does. Seventh Day Adventists are healthy because they believe God commands them to maintain a healthy lifestyle. Utah doesn't suffer many social ills in other states, I'd argue that that is related to strong family and community values (Mormon values). Christian charities were the first into Liberia to fight ebola, while you sat at your computer. Religious states in the US donate more to, and are more active in charities.

Gregor Mendel created genetics. Where did he find the resources to study pea plants? Holy shit, he was a monk in a monastery? I guess you don't believe in mendelian genetics anymore because he was associated with the evil catholic church trying to control us all!!!!! Tools

I reiterate: "I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

If you see no value in a religion, then don't follow it. Conversely, if you see some value in parts of it but little in other aspects, incorporate what you will into your life. It is your responsibility, and yours alone, to utilize your brain to decide what is right and wrong in your life. If I decide to go to a house of worship, in my case a Baha'i shrine, why the hell is that any of your business?

I was raised in the religion that my mother taught me, and it would kill her if I left it. So why did I stay? Merely out of respect to her? Not quite. My faith taught me to work hard, to smile in the face of adversity, and to be tolerant. What part of those values do you deem to be evil? If I read them in a philosophy tome or a textbook, would they be inherently more valuable than if they came from scripture? What makes you the arbiter of right and wrong?

The only "religion" that scares me is this incessant desire from liberals and atheists to silence anyone who has a different opinion. What a fucked up world we'd have if you guys had the power to create a society without diversity of opinion, culture or thought. I'll keep praying to my flying spaghetti monster that you never have the capability.

Oh, and there are plenty of countries that have thought police apparatuses. I suggest you move to Iran, China, or Russia; you'd all fit in perfectly. Drones following the queen like in every other hive.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/op...iberia-127563/

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionande...-health/10575/

I've read extensively about Seventh Day Adventists. Roughly one half are vegetarian, and those who are not generally eat less meat/ dairy products/ eggs. They also have built-in exercise like nature walks and have a very tight community. In regards to their religion, they are more contemplative (remind me more of Buddhists) than their other Christian counterparts.

They live longer in general than the rest of the United States, but that has nothing to do with belief in a Judeo-Christian philosophy. I know this for certain because other long-lived peoples of the world are not Christian. Instead, what long-lived people have in common is great social support, healthy and happy relationships, constant exercise (even if just walking a lot), eating fewer meats and dairy/egg products, eating more whole foods, etc.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, but it does. Seventh Day Adventists are healthy because they believe God commands them to maintain a healthy lifestyle. Utah doesn't suffer many social ills in other states, I'd argue that that is related to strong family and community values (Mormon values). Christian charities were the first into Liberia to fight ebola, while you sat at your computer. Religious states in the US donate more to, and are more active in charities.

Gregor Mendel created genetics. Where did he find the resources to study pea plants? Holy shit, he was a monk in a monastery? I guess you don't believe in mendelian genetics anymore because he was associated with the evil catholic church trying to control us all!!!!! Tools

I reiterate: "I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

If you see no value in a religion, then don't follow it. Conversely, if you see some value in parts of it but little in other aspects, incorporate what you will into your life. It is your responsibility, and yours alone, to utilize your brain to decide what is right and wrong in your life. If I decide to go to a house of worship, in my case a Baha'i shrine, why the hell is that any of your business?

I was raised in the religion that my mother taught me, and it would kill her if I left it. So why did I stay? Merely out of respect to her? Not quite. My faith taught me to work hard, to smile in the face of adversity, and to be tolerant. What part of those values do you deem to be evil? If I read them in a philosophy tome or a textbook, would they be inherently more valuable than if they came from scripture? What makes you the arbiter of right and wrong?

The only "religion" that scares me is this incessant desire from liberals and atheists to silence anyone who has a different opinion. What a fucked up world we'd have if you guys had the power to create a society without diversity of opinion, culture or thought. I'll keep praying to my flying spaghetti monster that you never have the capability.

Oh, and there are plenty of countries that have thought police apparatuses. I suggest you move to Iran, China, or Russia; you'd all fit in perfectly. Drones following the queen like in every other hive.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/op...iberia-127563/

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionande...-health/10575/

I cannot break up quotes on my phone browser so I apologize if my response isn't formatted in a way that is pleasing to the eyes.

Mormons etc.: family values need not come from religion in a modern productive society. Regardless, for every Mormon that you see, there are fifty others who identify as Christian who live in excess. While it's true that there were Christian groups among the first wave of aid, this belies the fact that there are more aid based groups not associated with faiths when compared to 'missions'. While I sat at my computer telling everyone to be calm and rational in regards to Ebola, Christian groups have been pressing for border closures and deportations as well as the abandonment of fellow citizens who were potentially infected. There are exceptions to every rule, in this case your positive examples are just that. Your point about who is more charitable is simply wrong, even with less than 20 percent of the nation opting out of selecting a religion, a secular charity (bill gates) generates much more aid than any religious charity.

Gregor Mendel did not discover genes BECAUSE he was religious, he did so in spite of the fact. He came to his conclusions via scientific experimentation, not from the pages of the bible. Correlation =/= causation. The fact that he separated his scientific curiosity from his faith is good on him alone, not his religion. The source of his funding is also largely irrelevant so I don't know why you are implying it would matter to me. The nazis invented/perfected rocket science. Do you think I believe space exploration is evil?

The rest of your post is essentially in defense of personal faith which I'm in full support of. As stated a billion times, your right to your own faith ends at the tip of your nose.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I cannot break up quotes on my phone browser so I apologize if my response isn't formatted in a way that is pleasing to the eyes.

nothing you've ever posted is pleasing to the eyes

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nothing you've ever posted is pleasing to the eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dnaumEHJa8#t=21

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's kind of the problem though, some people actually think they're going to survive their death. Some people actually believe with no evidence whatsoever that they're going to reappear in some other realm of existence and recognize their grandparents, while everyone else suffers an eternity of torture in hell.

I'm curious. Why is it a "problem" for you if other people believe that, though? Maybe you don't realized that you're making the same mistake a lot of religious people do: you judge, mock, and condemn the beliefs of other people if they happen to oppose your own.

I think they call that intolerance, no?

So again I ask: why is it a "problem" for you personally?

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm curious. Why is it a "problem" for you if other people believe that, though? Maybe you don't realized that you're making the same mistake a lot of religious people do: you judge, mock, and condemn the beliefs of other people if they happen to oppose your own.

I think they call that intolerance, no?

So again I ask: why is it a "problem" for you personally?

It becomes a problem because it's the basis for a lot of horrible shit that goes down in the world.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It becomes a problem because it's the basis for a lot of horrible shit that goes down in the world.

True. Scientism has also been responsible for a lot of terrible atrocities. I don't see anyone rallying against science though.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It becomes a problem because it's the basis for a lot of horrible shit that goes down in the world.

Stalin, Mao, pol pot, the Young Turks, Hitler (probably an occultist so not sure he belongs)

All secular / atheist. All are the greatest mass murderers of the 20th century.

I'd love to see the Mormon homicide / violent crime rate compared to other groups in the US.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm curious. Why is it a "problem" for you if other people believe that, though? Maybe you don't realized that you're making the same mistake a lot of religious people do: you judge, mock, and condemn the beliefs of other people if they happen to oppose your own.

I think they call that intolerance, no?

So again I ask: why is it a "problem" for you personally?

I'm pretty sure this has already been discussed at great length in the previous pages but, in short, it's not a problem for me. Even if it was, it wouldn't matter. The world is a very big place, and humanity as a whole has better things to do than concern itself with any one person's petty grievances over another's beliefs. I don't care what anyone believes - I don't care if you believe in one god or twenty gods; it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. However, when beliefs become indoctrinated into scripture and methodically and mandatorily doled out as education, it then becomes not only my problem but everyone else's as well. Fortunately, here in the States we now live in a post-secularist society and these kind of teachings are no longer mandatory. Religious studies are still very much a required part of many European societies, and I hope I don't need to point out the horrific state of affairs in many of the middle-eastern and Asian countries that have to put up with violent, militarized groups that take literal interpretations of religious scripture to the extreme.

These things happen because of ideas. The idea of vicarious redemption through Christ is extremely immoral. Modern day Christianity is literally a cult predicated on human sacrifice which assures its followers they can do away with every wrongdoing of their past by simply accepting Christ as their lord and savior. Solipsistic worldviews are hugely, unequivocally immoral. I don't see what's so difficult to grasp about this. Vicarious redemption is inherent in Christianity. This is not in any way a good thing. It teaches that if you simply give yourself over to Christ you can rid yourself of every sin you've ever committed or ever will commit. And it doesn't end there - in doing so, you'll not only survive your own death, but you can take pleasure in the condemnation of the unworthy - those who've blasphemed - who will, rest assured, spend an eternity in hellfire for their sins. This is absolute poison. Here's an idea, how about you take responsibility for your actions in this life, in this world.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep hating everyone around you. I'll have a smile on my face with all the other idiots at the shrine praying to the sky God. We'll all do charity and try to feed the hungry, and you'll be in your basement expounding on your supreme morality on Internet forums.

Once again trying to make it look like religion has a monopoly or some sort of hidden access to kindness and charity, but no one's buying it. There are just as many secular, non-religious charitable organizations as there are of the religious, except the non-religious charities don't attempt to proselytize and win converts to a sadistic cult. Non-religious groups don't carry out charity in hopes for good karma to carry them into the next life - they do it for the betterment of this life, for the betterment of this world. Culture, charity, and yes, even kindness will be perfectly fine without religion, I can assure you. Neither spirituality nor art requires bullshit superstitious immoral beliefs, and humanity as a whole will be much better off without them as well. Good riddance.