Come together to make corpsing bannable!

[Iumuno]

Good points except for that last one. No idea why you lump boxing in there as it has absolutely zero relevance.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that :

A) This server does not actually have an authentic classic only approach. The raid scene alone is testament to that.
B) No matter how much we aim for classic, we have to consider the variables to the equation have changed over the years - such as the internet, providing even the newest of players all they'd ever need to know about EQ. Or special programs, like triggers that can now connect with smart devices to automate a text message as a bat phone.
And don't forget, people are also mostly grown up now, with schedules that don't always allow eighteen hour gaming shifts. We also have less people than back in the day, so support for some things is hard to get(go play Red, they got the right attitude, just not the numbers).

Ultimately, there are things that need to be 'updated' to fit with the current nature of EQ gaming/gamers in this modern time - which means having some relaxations on the 'classic' approach.

Current things that are 'classic' but need amending to accommodate the modern environment:

Contested epic mobs in non raid zones.
Why are we making people wait up to seven days for a random spawn that's going to be conversed upon by hundreds of people via a text trigger message to their phone at 3am, of which half of them are already camped out there with 'alt' characters who are one of their seven level 60s and has nothing better to do but sit there and be a support class for contested mob spawns?

What we should do : Make them up full time - instant repops.

MQ on epic items
How many people have been grouped in Karnors with their monk when the pipe drops, only to be told it's a greed roll rather than NBG?;
How many people bought their epic?

What we should do : MQ barred on epic items

Corpsing
This thread should speak enough to that - besides the fact it's an obvious problem.

What we should do : Ban it

Boxing
This is probably the biggest example of where the DEVs have disallowed something due to discretion, claiming it's going to 'hurt' the server..and yet...

What we should do: Allow it for up to two clients simultaneously. This won't allow people to have 'full groups' by themselves and present some sort of market dominance which we are told would happen, that's dirty fear mongering. Besides, the current market is such a free economy right?
The majority of boxing would be used for mere convenience (such as self porting, self resurrection, self buff etc), I can promise that if normal players could get more opportunity to go into places and farm items that were previously limited to guild lock downs, then the market would open up ten fold.


These things are exacerbated and have become 'issues,' because the advancements and changes in modern gaming have allowed outside influences uch as the internet, smart phones and voice communications to change the dynamic of the game.

The DEVs KNEW all of this would happen - they couldn't not have, it was written on the wall. A hundred people locking down content was bound to stifle any sort of 'free market,' and instead of taking preventive measures to release the pressure of the synthetic bottlenecks, we're just burying our heads in the sand. The fact that anti-boxing is the only exception to these rulings, is laughable.

The only thing not classic about P99 now, is the fact that it's hanging onto this 'it's classic,' excuse.

interesting

[Phantasm]

So simply removing the fact that you can MQ and corpse items will remove all of the pre-epic'd people who can respond to a target faster? The problem is over crowding, your attempts to limit peoples ability to obtain an item will only have them make someone have their alts ready to loot an item faster.

You then go on to suggest boxing on a server that is already way over crowded and with camp disputes rising out of the dust. Imagine what would happen when a camp you couldn't camp by yourself now goes derp mode with a shaman/monk holding it down indefinitely.

The problems a few handful of people have are not indicative of a mass problem. I have never had a problem with corpsed items aside from a few Tranix spawns that were being monopolized(and I wasn't actively waiting for him to leave, so who cares?).

I suggest you guys stop suggesting additions and changes and perhaps change your own play-style to enable you to have a more enjoyable experience.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is stupid. You can't corpse an item and then hold the camp if someone is waiting.

Also nobody is RMTing off of AC rings, lol.

So what's the problem exactly?

sums things up nicely!

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately is classic and will not be changed.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Current things that are 'classic' but need amending to accommodate the modern environment:

Contested epic mobs in non raid zones.
Why are we making people wait up to seven days for a random spawn that's going to be conversed upon by hundreds of people via a text trigger message to their phone at 3am, of which half of them are already camped out there with 'alt' characters who are one of their seven level 60s and has nothing better to do but sit there and be a support class for contested mob spawns?

What we should do : Make them up full time - instant repops.

MQ on epic items
How many people have been grouped in Karnors with their monk when the pipe drops, only to be told it's a greed roll rather than NBG?;
How many people bought their epic?

What we should do : MQ barred on epic items

Corpsing
This thread should speak enough to that - besides the fact it's an obvious problem.

What we should do : Ban it

Boxing
This is probably the biggest example of where the DEVs have disallowed something due to discretion, claiming it's going to 'hurt' the server..and yet...

What we should do: Allow it for up to two clients simultaneously. This won't allow people to have 'full groups' by themselves and present some sort of market dominance which we are told would happen, that's dirty fear mongering. Besides, the current market is such a free economy right?
The majority of boxing would be used for mere convenience (such as self porting, self resurrection, self buff etc), I can promise that if normal players could get more opportunity to go into places and farm items that were previously limited to guild lock downs, then the market would open up ten fold.


These things are exacerbated and have become 'issues,' because the advancements and changes in modern gaming have allowed outside influences uch as the internet, smart phones and voice communications to change the dynamic of the game.

The DEVs KNEW all of this would happen - they couldn't not have, it was written on the wall. A hundred people locking down content was bound to stifle any sort of 'free market,' and instead of taking preventive measures to release the pressure of the synthetic bottlenecks, we're just burying our heads in the sand. The fact that anti-boxing is the only exception to these rulings, is laughable.

The only thing not classic about P99 now, is the fact that it's hanging onto this 'it's classic,' excuse.

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[kaev]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Haha. This is a very special thread. "OMG! Something the neighbor did annoyed me! Somebody bring me the 8" howitzer and a couple tacnukes!!!"

[Oakengroves]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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OH, BRAVE NEW WORLD, WITH SUCH PEOPLE IN IT!

THE NEW CLASSIC IS BORN!

[Jfertal]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that :

A) This server does not actually have an authentic classic only approach. The raid scene alone is testament to that.
B) No matter how much we aim for classic, we have to consider the variables to the equation have changed over the years - such as the internet, providing even the newest of players all they'd ever need to know about EQ. Or special programs, like triggers that can now connect with smart devices to automate a text message as a bat phone.
And don't forget, people are also mostly grown up now, with schedules that don't always allow eighteen hour gaming shifts. We also have less people than back in the day, so support for some things is hard to get(go play Red, they got the right attitude, just not the numbers).

Ultimately, there are things that need to be 'updated' to fit with the current nature of EQ gaming/gamers in this modern time - which means having some relaxations on the 'classic' approach.

Current things that are 'classic' but need amending to accommodate the modern environment:

Contested epic mobs in non raid zones.
Why are we making people wait up to seven days for a random spawn that's going to be conversed upon by hundreds of people via a text trigger message to their phone at 3am, of which half of them are already camped out there with 'alt' characters who are one of their seven level 60s and has nothing better to do but sit there and be a support class for contested mob spawns?

What we should do : Make them up full time - instant repops.

MQ on epic items
How many people have been grouped in Karnors with their monk when the pipe drops, only to be told it's a greed roll rather than NBG?;
How many people bought their epic?

What we should do : MQ barred on epic items

Corpsing
This thread should speak enough to that - besides the fact it's an obvious problem.

What we should do : Ban it

Boxing
This is probably the biggest example of where the DEVs have disallowed something due to discretion, claiming it's going to 'hurt' the server..and yet...

What we should do: Allow it for up to two clients simultaneously. This won't allow people to have 'full groups' by themselves and present some sort of market dominance which we are told would happen, that's dirty fear mongering. Besides, the current market is such a free economy right?
The majority of boxing would be used for mere convenience (such as self porting, self resurrection, self buff etc), I can promise that if normal players could get more opportunity to go into places and farm items that were previously limited to guild lock downs, then the market would open up ten fold.


These things are exacerbated and have become 'issues,' because the advancements and changes in modern gaming have allowed outside influences uch as the internet, smart phones and voice communications to change the dynamic of the game.

The DEVs KNEW all of this would happen - they couldn't not have, it was written on the wall. A hundred people locking down content was bound to stifle any sort of 'free market,' and instead of taking preventive measures to release the pressure of the synthetic bottlenecks, we're just burying our heads in the sand. The fact that anti-boxing is the only exception to these rulings, is laughable.

The only thing not classic about P99 now, is the fact that it's hanging onto this 'it's classic,' excuse.

You know everquest live did all this just for you! They cater to your play style

[Kayso]

No option to ban both corpsing and OP? Or just OP?