Late game Min/maxing class race list

[Tuffpuppy]

Enjoy dying when your 6 second torpor cast gets interrupted.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're a min/maxxer, you're unlikely to put yourself in the situation where you have 5-6 mobs on you. And even if you are in that situation, you're likely the type to have plenty of root nets to lock things down. How many shamans solo HS south these days? I did it for a long time and never saw any others except maybe Svenn (another barb). Where are all these amazingly powerful ogre shamans?

Someone already mentioned it in this thread but:

player skill and situational awareness will always trump racial abilities

we're talking pure min/max for a specific classes' function

which now that I think about it, all shamans are good for are sta/dex/talis and sow, ammirite?

iksar/troll all day!

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[Raev]

So here is the argument for Iksar warriors over Ogres: if you are tanking something in Velious, are you more likely to a) die or b) lose aggro? My experience on Velious beta says A. CH aggro is almost nothing, Monks FD, Rogues Evade, Wizards cast concussion, etc. Of course, if you are tanking ToV east trash for slow, then yeah it might matter . . . or you could just have a Paladin tank. Also, I don't think the Iksar racial AC bonus is all that amazing. Remember, you'll be using Defensive most of the time which effectively cuts AC effectiveness in half.

The real TL;DR here is that the OP's question is pretty pointless for most class/race combinations. I would say Ogre Shadowknight and Iksar Necromancer have a small advantage over the other SK/necro choices, Ogre Shaman and Iksar Monk have a tiny advantage, and nothing else really matters.

I mean when you combine the BoTB and the Solo Artist challenge, it's pretty clear that player skill >> race/class combinations.

[fiveeauxfour]

Originally Posted by fuark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksar monk is better, but does it honestly matter? Play whatever you think is coolest, it's not too big of a deal. As long as you have a fungi, your hp will regen while FDed.

This. The fungi tunic really diminishes the combat efficacy of the iksar regen. Iksars have 8 more hp/tick standing regen than humans, so in a solo combat situation that wont make much of a difference. That means every minute is going to net the Iksar 80 more hp; with a fungi the numbers are 270 hp/min iksar vs 190 hp/min human. When mobs (like drolvarg capt and guards) hit easily in the 100's and do so multiple times during a single fight, it is going to be difficult to comp that loss of hp...again the 80hp isn't going to be felt. The fungi will tho. Its all about that fungi. Get a fungi. FUNGI!

The increased AC can never be overcome but in endgame situations, for example tanking quadding 200s, that small amount of AC isn't going to save you. A def disc will, but why are you tanking anyways? FD the aggro an use innerflame ffs.

I chose the race that I currently play because I wanna look at human tail rather than iksar tail. giggidy.

[Belleraphone]

Hey guys I appreciate your help but I'm well aware of the fact that player skill is better than racial abilities. I am just interested in min maxing though and want the best race for any new characters I start, that's all.

[iruinedyourday]

hey guys ima let you finish but frontal stun immune is the best racial statistic of all time, OF ALL TIME

[Phantasm]

Iksar for 100 Swimming and 50 Forage, lets be serious here

[GinnasP99]

Dark elf necro for max style [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(sorry Sesser)

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Belleraphone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey guys I appreciate your help but I'm well aware of the fact that player skill is better than racial abilities. I am just interested in min maxing though and want the best race for any new characters I start, that's all.

That's my point. For any moderately aware shaman, troll > ogre. And most min/maxers are interested in maxing their playstyle in addition to maxing the toon they have. So troll is the best min/max race for shaman. Ogre is the best race for poorly played shaman.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Tuffpuppy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enjoy dying when your 6 second torpor cast gets interrupted.

If a shaman dies because he had a single interrupt on torpor, they probably shouldn't bother with the CR and instead just reroll as a wizard.