New way to save the Earth

[Taluvill]

I think Aba already said this, but if everyone ate fish, we could sustain the worlds population 10fold.

[azeth]

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agree or disagree?

[Abacab niggah]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Aba already said this, but if everyone ate fish, we could sustain the worlds population 10fold.

If I spent the money on some huge zoo like aquarium and I raised something like shrimp or cod, basically anything that has a high-rate reproduction rate in a few months time I could have thousands of fish/crustaceans that I could harvest and cold store.

Basically with one good reproduction yield I could feed myself for a few years if I didn't overeat and used moderation, and I can repeat the process and be self-reliant.

[Bushwick]

In my opinion, the best argument for vegetarianism (or at least ethical omnivorism) is not an appeal to what is "natural", nor that meat is murder, but that the modern meat industry is appalling in its abuses. Factory farming is a hideous practice that subjects animals to the kind of suffering that would probably remove your appetite immediately if you had to witness it.

If you are not concerned with even the most basic levels of welfare for animals (fair enough, you ogre), consider the incredible over-use of antibiotics by the meat industry. Industry livestock receive more than 8 times the amount of antibiotics that human beings receive, and the vast majority of this is used on animals that are not yet sick. As a result, antibiotic resistance is spiraling out of control and for the first time in decades doctors are faced with human infections that simply cannot be controlled.

Originally Posted by Abacab *****h [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really.

You'd have to raze thousands upon thousands of acres of land to feed this nation alone based on a vegetarian diet. To put it in something that would make sense, to feed the world on a vegetarian staple we'd have to destroy the entire rain forest to produce enough legumes, grains, fruits, and vegetables to feed everyone meagerly.

I'm interested in knowing where you're getting this from. Livestock are themselves (mostly) vegetarian, and consume much, much more energy and water than they yield in the form of meat (thermodynamics and all). They are fed mostly corn, which while edible by humans, could also be replaced by other, more nutritious crops.

[Abacab niggah]

Originally Posted by Bushwick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm interested in knowing where you're getting this from. Livestock are themselves (mostly) vegetarian, and consume much, much more energy and water than they yield in the form of meat (thermodynamics and all). They are fed mostly corn, which while edible by humans, could also be replaced by other, more nutritious crops.

Cattle are cattle bro, you could feed them styrofoam and they'd eat it, and yes they are herbivores but you're not really feeding them "quality" grain you're basically shoveling piss poor "bulk feed" down their throats to fatten them up for a higher yield.

The grain that cattle eat is grown on very hostile soil where most plants couldn't thrive, mostly very sandy, clay-like soils with little to no nutrients as most grains don't need that many nutrients to grow.

What I'm saying is the quality of land, and the quality of grain which would be used for human consumption is on a whole nother level than the over-milled patches of land that they grow grasses on just to fatten their herd up. The only ecological damage from cattle comes from runoff into streams and lakes which kills wildlife, but as for consumption of space?

That's hardly the case cause the space isn't even suitable to live on

[Abacab niggah]

Bushwick, my source of information comes from the fact I live in Indiana, one of the largest agricultural states for poultry and corn feed.

I will bet you a cool $500 that if given several seeds of fruits and vegetables that are meant for human consumption that you cannot grow them on the soil here without major reconstruction of natural minerals in the soil. Most farm plots used for cattle are so nitrogen depleted the only thing you can crow is feed corn and straw grass and that has to do with the soil composition.

So yeah man, $500 says you can't grow anything worthwhile out of the soil because of the clay like texture and the lack of several key nutrients (which is why it's used to grow grasses as bulk feed) so it'd be way off logic to state that utilizing the farm land here to grow orchards of fruit, or large fields of consumable vegetables would be more efficient than just growing bulk feed and placing cattle on it.

[Bushwick]

Originally Posted by Abacab *****h [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cattle are cattle bro, you could feed them styrofoam and they'd eat it, and yes they are herbivores but you're not really feeding them "quality" grain you're basically shoveling piss poor "bulk feed" down their throats to fatten them up for a higher yield.

The grain that cattle eat is grown on very hostile soil where most plants couldn't thrive, mostly very sandy, clay-like soils with little to no nutrients as most grains don't need that many nutrients to grow.

What I'm saying is the quality of land, and the quality of grain which would be used for human consumption is on a whole nother level than the over-milled patches of land that they grow grasses on just to fatten their herd up. The only ecological damage from cattle comes from runoff into streams and lakes which kills wildlife, but as for consumption of space?

That's hardly the case cause the space isn't even suitable to live on

That sounds plausible. I'll drop the point because I'm really not interested in advocating world-wide or nation-wide vegetarianism. I simply think people ought to question how much meat is really necessary for their diet, and, if they decide to consume animal products, make informed decisions about the sources they acquire them from.

If you have a backyard and are really hardcore, consider raising your own chickens~

[Abacab niggah]

Originally Posted by Bushwick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That sounds plausible. I'll drop the point because I'm really not interested in advocating world-wide or nation-wide vegetarianism. I simply think people ought to question how much meat is really necessary for their diet, and, if they decide to consume animal products, make informed decisions about the sources they acquire them from.

If you have a backyard and are really hardcore, consider raising your own chickens~

I was a proponent for a one-a-day drink that had all the vitamins and minerals needed as well as the recommended calorie, fat, and protein content.

[fuji]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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agree or disagree?

lol, what does that even mean?