Spells: Dispel broke

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue with dispell mechanics isn't with dispell itself, but whether or not clickie buffs specifically should have a fewer counters, so they are guaranteed dispelled in the first check.

This.

I think that counters were based off the level of the spell. Makes sense right? The higher the level spell the more counters. Or at the very least, base it off the level of the caster.

Clickies however should be considered to be a level 1 caster or spell always. So they should get the minimum number of counters and get removed regardless of the dispel roll.

If that gets implemented, I'd say our Dispell system is pretty perfect.

[Technique]

The notion that the level of a spell's caster factors into its dispel difficulty is highly dubious, mostly because there's no evidence this information was persisted on the target. Nor was the level of the spell itself likely involved because many spells don't even have one.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clickies however should be considered to be a level 1 caster or spell always. So they should get the minimum number of counters and get removed regardless of the dispel roll..

If this were the case, there wouldn't be examples of items with click effects whose magnitudes vary with the level of the user.

Originally Posted by Scrubosaur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue with that is if you either click the junk buff while dispel is being cast or less than 6 secs before being cast then EQ doesn't recognize the buff being up and will dispel the first buff that had been on longer than 6 secs.

If the game were resolving actions based on state that was up to 6 seconds old, there would likely be other examples of this absurdity, but none exist.

[Scrubosaur]

Originally Posted by Technique [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the game were resolving actions based on state that was up to 6 seconds old, there would likely be other examples of this absurdity, but none exist.

You are welcome to test this on live. The best place I have seen in Ture in AoA. Ture has a pretty regular 1 slot dispel and if you junk buff while he is casting or less than 6 secs (a tick) before he casts he will remove the second buff and not the top buff.

And there are plenty of things that are based on this "absurdity" of a tick in EQ. A quick google search will give you a list.

[Technique]

Originally Posted by Scrubosaur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And there are plenty of things that are based on this "absurdity" of a tick in EQ. A quick google search will give you a list.

It isn't the concept of a 6-second simulation tick that's absurd, it's your suggestion that spell effects are being resolved based on game state that's potentially up to 6 seconds old.

If this were the case, out-of-sequence events would be a regular occurrence: heals landing and saving a target after it dies, ports taking former group members after they disband, nukes killing targets seconds after they receive a complete heal, CoH summoning players after they zone, etc.

These things aren't happening here nor on Live.