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[Argh]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the 10% of the times mean monthly guilds aren't able to kill a mob they are on rotation for. So they get assistance, and then in a few weeks they are able to assist that guild for a second kill.

Again, that doesn't happen. People don't team up for mobs and then have an implicit agreement to team up on the other guilds kill (It makes no sense for the aiding guild to oblige to this).

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is also important to remember what precipitated the necessity for 12-hour alliance windows. When guilds would have blackout hours they would refuse to track or try to kill, mobs but at the same time they would refuse to drop down to the bottom of the rotation after failing to kill their Class R mob.

The blackouts were and still are completely retarded.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It did used to be worse. But it can still get better. Simply saying you kill a mob and get a lockout, you drop to bottom of rotation. That's all that needs to be said to improve the rotation. Covers guilds allying together, and the big-bad taken (who you appear to have a Pie-Chart-Hardon for) sniping Class R mobs after they go FFA.

Sure but neither side is ever really willing to compromise without a half day vent-summit where everyone screams at one another until theres 4 people left standing to hammer out a deal. Each vent summit is preceded by the exact scenario that is playing out now. Taken/Div/BDA want new rules, and threaten to go rogue if they aren't implemented.

Taken/Div/BDA feel they don't really need to compromise because they think they have all the leverage because if they leave the rotation they will get every 1/3 R mob.

Everyone else feels that they have all the leverage because they are 7/10 of the guilds in the rotation and control a clear super majority.

Nothing ever really happens in FAP without it going completely nuclear, because there is no system in place to actually implement new rules or policies. It's just one side screaming at the other on FAP until they get on vent to scream at each other until there are new rules.

Also, anyone who has ever had to deal with Taken on FAP shares the disdain I have for them.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, anyone who has ever had to deal with Taken on FAP shares the disdain I have for them.

finally something you said I can agree with !

[Swish]

Is it time BDA and Taken considered Class C? That would allow the rotation to continue and they could contest for big pixels, rather than trying to drag all the other R guilds down that path with them.

Or are they... chicken?

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[Daldaen]

It still should have you dropping your rotation slot or merging and sharing the slot if you're having to call in help to kill the mob before your 6 hours are up.

They control a super majority if you're looking at it like the Senate. But if you're doing House of Representatives... I'd wager its a pretty even split.

Eh I bet it's just Fing you are salty with. If you catch Old-Man-Fing past his bedtime he can be cranky.

[Swish]

I'm not looking at it like the senate, I'm looking at it like they represent 2/10 of the guilds and are a minority with higher aspirations for what they want out of the server.

Those who don't want to compete I'm sure would be welcome apps by the other class R guilds.

[Bristlebard]

It's quite beyond me why the staff don't just remove variance and every rule specific to raid NPCs and stay hands off, letting the group that gets experience for the kill get the loot.

[Swish]

the question is, do you duck/cancel sunstrike on all wizards before the engage or go straight in knowing you're about to die in a horrible mess where everyone logs in their raiding wizards for "nuke roulette"?

it wouldnt end well and wouldnt represent a classic engage anymore (warriors, CH rotation, etc)

[Bristlebard]

Classic engage? Has that ever existed on p99? Are you just using the word classic for shits and giggles?

[Bristlebard]

Anyways. I never said my suggestion would be even close to ideal. But it could not possibly be less retarded than anything else that has happened in the server's raid scene... plus it doesn't require the staff to babysit these guilds all the time.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Bristlebard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic engage? Has that ever existed on p99? Are you just using the word classic for shits and giggles?

You're either stupid or trolling. I think (and hope) it's the latter... unless you don't consider using a warrior/cleric CH rotation as the traditional way to take down dragon_x/y.

What you're suggesting is a server without GMs. Sirken recently said he was ending the 'wild west' environment on red... imagine what 100s of pixel hungry nerds could be capable of on blue with GMs absent completely.