ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Beastro]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Five minutes in and he's already committing a huge, HUGE fallacy. He's equating modern finance with the medieval equivalent. Especially in A Game of Thrones the actual crown land of the Iron Throne seems to be pretty small (I.E. the lands ruled directly by the crown) and as such would have remarkably small revenue when you think of the entire size of the kingdom. Assuming that there was any significant taxes on the other kingdoms it still probably wouldn't be that significant since the throne relies on their constant consent to rule. It was actually very normal in English history for the throne to want to go to war and have to raise taxes/debt spending but end up using the army they raised via taxes to put down tax rebellions. The English crown was literally ALWAYS in debt pretty much from William's time onwards unless they repudiated their debts (which they did multiple times). So regardless of Littlefinger's competence/incompetence/planning it's actually super realistic for them to be in shit tons of debt.

Not to mention the Spanish Hapsburgs which dealt with many of the historical foundations of his worlds banking system. It fucked them in the long run but it took a sterile inbred to die to end their rule of Spain, not the machinations of the Genoese.

[Mandalore93]

Well Spain is a special case during the high middle ages/early modern period (1500-1650). They pretty much tanked their own economy by bringing in such massive loads of silver/gold from the Americas. Plus they then suffered from a problem that many countries would later suffer from. This problem being the upkeep and defense of far away territory. In particular the Spanish Netherlands would literally tank both them and their Austrian family during the 30 years war. Perhaps even to the point that the German states would have been steam rollered early on.

[Sirken]

GRRM confirmed no book 6 in 2015

[Vellaen]

The second chapter of the Telltale Games series is out today for PC and PS3/4. Trailer is here.

[Tiggles]

Did I miss the discussion about the trailer?

Apparently the show has cut the Aegon/Jon Connington story from the show with zero casting and already having Tyrion heading to meet Dany.

I think this is a huge spoiler in two ways.

1. It means the show is going to diverge from the books in a big way.
OR
2. It means Aegon is a Fake Targ/Blackfyre lot a lot of people believe and actually won't be a driving force in the book.


Thoughts?

[Sirken]

trailer was interesting. Jaime in Dorne almost assures there will be no stone heart either. they could give her revenge plots to sansa maybe? who knows.

as far as Aegon, also had him pegged as a blackfyre or straight up fake, so not a big shocker there. just sucks cause now i know that any chapters with aegon are a waste of time.

the thing that pisses me off the most is the apparent cutting of Victarion and Euron. even moreso than Arianne Martell being cut, an i believe replaced with Oberyns whore from last season.

also saw Kevan and Lancel Lannister on the cast sheets, which means more changes, or they need to put Varys back in KL at some point

[Mandalore93]

I'm really starting to dislike GRRM for selling the rights to HBO at this point. Having a show finish your main plot for you when you've been writing since 1997 is honestly a bit sad and a disservice to your fans.

But for real, who actually thought that Aegon/Victarion were actually going to be important? Always felt like they were there to basically fill in more information on the world than driving the main plot. Same goes to Dorne. The entire Dorne sub-plot basically makes no sense when you remove reader omnipotence/omniscience.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really starting to dislike GRRM for selling the rights to HBO at this point. Having a show finish your main plot for you when you've been writing since 1997 is honestly a bit sad and a disservice to your fans.

But for real, who actually thought that Aegon/Victarion were actually going to be important? Always felt like they were there to basically fill in more information on the world than driving the main plot. Same goes to Dorne. The entire Dorne sub-plot basically makes no sense when you remove reader omnipotence/omniscience.

he prolly thought he could finish. dunno whyd he think that, but im sure he was like, "2 books in 7-8 years? no problem!". but yea, i feel your pain.

Victarion i really did. in the books he'll be how dany gets to westeros. but in the show i noticed something recently while rewatching season 4, Daario tells Dany that hes taken the Mereen Navy and their 93ish ships. now, at the time i over looked this, but i'm pretty sure now that its the set up to replace Victarion. i understand things need to be cut due to the sheer volume of the novels, and abundance of characters, plots, and storyline. but shit, Whitebeard, Coldhands, Strong Belwas, Stoneheart, Aegon, Connington, Arianne Martell, 5 sand snakes, Euron & Victarion, Moqorro, Penny, and im sure im forgetting more. it just gets frustrating.

but you know whats really frustrating, when the show just fucking kills people that arent dead in the book. i know that Jojen aint doing so hot, but i feel all he needs is some tea and a blanket, but apparently no one gives a hot shit about Jojen. and so the book just kills him, no spoiler warnings or anything.

hmpf

[Mandalore93]

I understand the reasons for some of the cuts and even some of the deaths. The show obviously needs to be more centered on the main characters just because of how much shorter they are than the books. The first audio book for GoT is 35 hours for example in comparison to the 10 episode season one.

Jojen is so dead in the books bro. I feel like that he's going to be some level of sacrifice for Bran to abandon his humanity and end up like Bloodraven.

Pretty sure that LSH was cut out so that Jon can be the first major character ressed on the show. Not like any of the show watchers actually really know the Lightning Lord after all. Although I think his reveal as Rhaegar's son is going to be so, so, so underwhelming compared to the books when I doubt 1 in 10 show watchers even know who Rhaegar is.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand the reasons for some of the cuts and even some of the deaths. The show obviously needs to be more centered on the main characters just because of how much shorter they are than the books. The first audio book for GoT is 35 hours for example in comparison to the 10 episode season one.

Jojen is so dead in the books bro. I feel like that he's going to be some level of sacrifice for Bran to abandon his humanity and end up like Bloodraven.

Pretty sure that LSH was cut out so that Jon can be the first major character ressed on the show. Not like any of the show watchers actually really know the Lightning Lord after all. Although I think his reveal as Rhaegar's son is going to be so, so, so underwhelming compared to the books when I doubt 1 in 10 show watchers even know who Rhaegar is.

poor jojen. theres a theory that the red paste bran ate consisted in part of Jojens blood. i dont subscribe to it, but its out there.

as far as rezzing, Beric Dondarrion was rezzed right in front of Arya on the show. if viewers didnt catch that they need to stop watching imo.

and agreed 100% on the J=R+L stuff. in the book, its a very book deal, you learn a TON more about Rhaegar as well as Lyanna, and about where Ned was and what Ned was doing at the end of Roberts Rebellion. but youre right, most people have no ideas who Rhaegar is, and most viewers probably havent noticed that the only person with a bad thing to say about Rhaegar, was Robert.

Part of me believes they wont do R+L=J in the TV show