Does this break server rules?

[Elcarim]

There's a guy named Ravon who has been camping the AC for over 12 hours, well over. Those of us on the wait list have been watching. He's been camping it and killing the AC while inviting his friends to loot the ring, so that he doesn't have to leave.

Can a person do this? Lock down a camp for over half a day, ignoring other people and just giving the loot out so as not to have to leave and to bypass the lore aspect of these items?

[Tenlaar]

Getting items for his friends? What a dick!

PETITIONQUEST ENGAGED!

[Elcarim]

Could care less that he's getting items for his friend. I care that he's holding a camp while other people are forced to wait and simply bringing in his friends to loot the objects to avoid the lore tag on the items.

But the camp, especially if there are as many people waiting as there are for this one at all times, should be limited to one ring per camp. If he wants one for his friend, he should be required to get his loot then move to the back of the line.

[Colgate]

on red99, you could have just killed him 12 hours ago

[Elcarim]

Haven't played on red yet, still planning on checking it out. But that sounds brutal lol.

[Itap]

Probably not but it's a dick move

[Feanol]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on red99, you could have just killed him 12 hours ago

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Elcarim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could care less that he's getting items for his friend. I care that he's holding a camp while other people are forced to wait and simply bringing in his friends to loot the objects to avoid the lore tag on the items.

What proof do you have that he is doing it to avoid a lore tag and not to help some friends get an item that is considered an essential for most classes?

But the camp, especially if there are as many people waiting as there are for this one at all times, should be limited to one ring per camp. If he wants one for his friend, he should be required to get his loot then move to the back of the line.

What is your reasoning for this, excluding greed and/or entitlement? Would you feel differently if he had handed the game off to one friend, who handed it off to another friend, who handed it off to another friend...

[Wenuven]

Originally Posted by Derubael

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

[Elcarim]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What proof do you have that he is doing it to avoid a lore tag and not to help some friends get an item that is considered an essential for most classes?

What proof? If he wanted it for his friend he could get the ring himself and MQ it. But he's bringing out friends in order to loot the ring, the whole time holding the camp and not giving others a chance.

What is your reasoning for this, excluding greed and/or entitlement? Would you feel differently if he had handed the game off to one friend, who handed it off to another friend, who handed it off to another friend...

Sense of "entitlement or greed"? You're saying I'm greedy for feeling he should share the camp after holding it for, again, over 12 hours and getting the AC spawn? from what the other people who have been waiting longer than myself, said it's been more like 18.

And what do you mean by "handing it off to friend after friend?" As in him playing at his home and having friends or a brother or something take over the camp for him so he can get some sleep? Yes, I would have a problem with that.