Warriors rejected because of no Obsidian shard

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just don't forget that while YES taunt will snap aggro back on to you, the time the mob was NOT aggrod on you (the warrior) it killed the ranger.

[Darkrainhunter]

Originally Posted by Ashimar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so the gist of this is that the Taunt ability works on lower lvl mob, but not higher lvl than you are.
And the aggro proc on weapons works on higher lvl mobs.

So would i even need to taunt if i was Duel weilding 2 aggro proccing weapons
against a Mob that is lower lvl?

If you can convince somebody in your party to root the mob i.e. Druid, Wizard, Cleric, a Lootmonkey with 2 rooty swords, ect. You don't have to worry as much about your weapons, just be the closest to the mob.

before I got my shards, I used 2 lang's. With mob rooted it worked just fine.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Darkrainhunter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can convince somebody in your party to root the mob i.e. Druid, Wizard, Cleric, a Lootmonkey with 2 rooty swords, ect. You don't have to worry as much about your weapons, just be the closest to the mob.

before I got my shards, I used 2 lang's. With mob rooted it worked just fine.

Problem with this is if the mob cons red (or yellow), which it often will in large groups, that root's either gonna get insta-resisted or is gonna last for two seconds, and in either case is gonna draw aggro onto whatever squishy class cast it.

[Dantes]

Obsidian Shatter is more than a 30dmg proc, it's also an AC debuff. Mobs hate debuffs. Gnoll hide lariats aren't very effective by comparison, and they don't proc until level 25 vs Obsidian Shards at level 16. That's why shards are popular.

[rainingvodka]

in my experience, taunt does not currently work on even con (white) mobs on p99. I *may* be incorrect on that but if so, the chance of success on such mobs is so remote (like 1-5%) it may as well not work.

some weapon procs generate hate. As Dantes already said, it's the ac debuff that does this. The stun for gnoll hide lariats are also good for hate, but they blow ass clowns for dps. Since dps also generates hater, less dps = bad for the warrior.

There are really only a few weapons in game right now that generate hate. Obsidian shards are the only good ones both tradeable and usable at lower levels.

[Shabaza]

Its a problematic theme.

a) take a PGT 6/26 or an obsidian shard 6/25 with a proc but slow ... not so much damage but aggro when it procs.
b) take a - as example a silverish scimitar 6/22 with more damage but no proc

Damage = aggro so the constant stream of aggro from b) is better.
Proc = aggro so when the proc comes early in fight a) its better.

But these damnd procs happen to go when theire not needed and then 5 in a row .... and when you need them ...

The second part to mention is
a) mobs tend to fight ppl. who are in melee range
b) the nearer youll stand to the mob the more he hates you.

As a caster on max range you can to a degree overnuke (while standing) and have no problems (sitting is another problem).

As a melee youll have to stand on max melee range except when youre the tank then youll have to stand on min melee range ( nearly inside the mob).

Most tanks I see are standing there when the mob starts attacking them and do not close up to the mob.

I tried it in a twink group with a silverish scimitar and a dragoon dirk and min melee range and my aggro generation (mob losing) was not greater than of our other war with an obsidian shard in main ... but my aggro genteration was better in the time he used his pgt ( he did not stand min range ).
In kunark lamentation 9/19 were the warrior weapons (fast / no proc ).

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by rainingvodka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in my experience, taunt does not currently work on even con (white) mobs on p99. I *may* be incorrect on that but if so, the chance of success on such mobs is so remote (like 1-5%) it may as well not work.

some weapon procs generate hate. As Dantes already said, it's the ac debuff that does this. The stun for gnoll hide lariats are also good for hate, but they blow ass clowns for dps. Since dps also generates hater, less dps = bad for the warrior.

There are really only a few weapons in game right now that generate hate. Obsidian shards are the only good ones both tradeable and usable at lower levels.

lol warrior dps, lol.

[Kavanah]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol warrior dps, lol.

I dish out pretty decent dps with my warrior right O.o

And I know its Plane of Power, but warriors tanking with Blade of War in raids were always WAY above anyone else in DPS because the riposte damage was stupid. =P

As for Original Poster, PGT + Obsidian shard is 400-500pp and easily obtainable by lvl 20 and you won't get anything better until you can replace that shard with a yak at 37. Get after it!

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Kavanah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you won't get anything better until you can replace that shard with a yak at 37. Get after it!

What about Axe of the Slayers at 30?

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Kavanah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dish out pretty decent dps with my warrior right

I think what is perceived as decent dps by non-dps oriented melee classes really amounts to nothing in regard to the Hate you think you're generating. Example my hits look something like (rogue) without backstab:

miss
71
35
1
30
71
miss
miss
40
71
45
30
71
miss
miss over lets say 11 seconds so 42 dps

Now, I'm sure some of you warriors are thinking "That's not much above the damage I'm producing." You're right. However include backstab:

miss
71
35
1
330
30
71
miss
miss
40
71
45
30
71
202
miss
miss over 11 seconds, 90dps

Don't be fooled into thinking your string of hits without misses are anywhere near comparable to an actual DPS class. To be noted: Monks are badass and I do not disclude you all when talking about dps "classes" given yours is often > ours.

Also to be noted: if you're a tank and my statement hurts your butt/feelings, you should have rolled a DPS class. You're also welcome to laugh and acknowledge how terrible rogues are at tanking, it just boils down to facts. Use proccing weapons. end.