Overcrowded

[Ravager]

Personally, I think the population is perfect right now. No matter what level, there's always a group to be had in any part of the world you please. Sure the popular camps are camped all the time, but it was that way in classic, that's just a feature of the game.

What I love about it is the popular places are crowded enough that it's easier to build an adventuring group that are more willing to do things like kill the orcs in LFay, the minotaurs in Steamfont, the goblins in Dagnor's, the corrupted in Dalnir's, and the insubstantial in The Hole.

[Confit]

Originally Posted by Lifebar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On classic I remember the 4 goblin camps being the main room, 1st side room, WAR room, and raider room. That first side room has two goddamn mobs in it on like an 8-12(?) minute timer--and there was a list. That is overcrowding. I like it here.

I remember this too! I was very happy to get in that side room with 2 mobs lol.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, so your refutation to Hater's point (not even mine) is that it wasn't "a decent counter argument" ... and nothing else? That's your "decent" counter argument to his point? It was the logical equivalent of "no you're wrong!" C'mon, even a 3rd grader could provide a more sophisticated response.

Yeah even a 3rd grader, whatever that is I'm guessing primary school age but whatever, could write their own shit.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look it's really not hard to understand: you can't make a server only for one group of people and not for another. If you do the "neckbeards" will just play on both servers, and there's nothing you can possibly do to prevent that short of whitelisting who gets to play on a given server.

Actually yes you can. Obviously this doesn't mean they wont go there; and whilst you could probably stop that happening somewhat it doesn't mean it wouldn't work to an extent for a variety of reasons. If you really think a fully rotated server would end up being exactly how the current one is, then I really can't say anything more to you.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way though the entire thing is moot: P99 is not getting a new server until the Teams Server (and god only knows when that will arrive).

It's only moot if you can't see past the short term. Which on p99 will be most people's mid-long term.

[Lorian]

Not massively overcrowded compared to classic, i beg to differ! We live in a different world now and comparing old numbers with new numbers is like comparing apples to pears.

A server of 1500 users during prime time where everyone is wearing decent to excellent gear and knows everything about every single pixel in the game would correspond to having like 4-5000 simultaneous users back on live 2000 where most people were clueless and wearing cloth and leather.

I would like to use an analogy with hunter-gatherer societies and the extinction of species, when their hunting gear and skills became more refined their population exploded, mammoths went by-by and the hunters needed needed vast territories to sustain their new lifestyle. And start killing rivals for the pray (P99 Red)

Velious will hardly solve the overcrowding issue, I'm pretty sure that even with Luclin added most the good hunting grounds would be camped during prime time. Yes, you can hunt in poor xp/loot areas but people want to play the game feeling they are effective even if they ultimately are doing it for fun. With the incredible knowledge from the wiki and forums that the players enjoy today there will never be a 'classic' feeling of discovery and adventure.

Fortunately I live in the UK and can enjoy a few hours of relatively decent access to the good spots during Saturdays and Sundays. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Lorian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fortunately I live in the UK and can enjoy a few hours of relatively decent access to the good spots during Saturdays and Sundays. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It can be good to be in Europe sometimes for sure... we need to kidnap Rogean and move him here for those Sunday night repops [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[douglas1999]

I can't believe Kunark was only out on live for about 7 months before Velious launched.. compared to.. what four years now here? With the population as knowledgeable as this too.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Well, we could actually ask for facts. As in actual numbers.

What was the avg prime time (5pm est - 2am est) population in March of 2012, 2013, and 2014 compared to 2015?

That would give us.... an objective answer.

(My data tech advisor, Raj, gives us a 33.33% -- repeating of course -- increase. There are roughly 400 more players online now than those years' avg. That is not insignificant.)

And those who are saying Velious will change things are either trolling, or really stupid. There are roughly 4,500 accounts dormant currently, all "waiting for Velious." After Velious is released, I estimate daily server pops will be around 7k

Should drop back down to our current 1200-1400 population within a year or two, tho

[Grizzled]

If you believe there needs to be more blue servers, there is one way to accomplish this.

Start your own server. Use p99 database. Pay for the hosting and bandwidth. And beg p99 staff to let it be an official second server. Iron out other details.

People seem to forget.p99 staff are a group of guys who want classic EQ as it was. Keeping people happy is second, or possibly lower on the list.

Me personally I dont see why they are so nice to peeps who rmt and multibox. Those people do not deserve to be here.

[lodgedogg]

Im so tired of hearing people bitch about rmt and boxing let me give you a little nostalgia for you that shit all happened at launch and was not a bannable offence people actually used to use websites like ebay to do it. This is going to happen no matter what there is no way to shut it down and there never will be. Does it ruin the economy? of course, will it ever change? not at all people will always find a way to do it.

Now as for this Red server all i have been hearing is stay away from any noob zone with a high ZeM if you want to live is this true? Is it possible to get along on there starting this late and not want to /wrist every day from twinks ganking you just because youre rocking you cloth gear you found?

[Monty405]

Originally Posted by Lorian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, you can hunt in poor xp/loot areas but people want to play the game feeling they are effective even if they ultimately are doing it for fun.

Although I agree that places like Mistmoore offer great ZEM and level ranges for groups I have to say that going on a waiting list for one, two or even three hours to *maybe* get a group invite if the list had been maintained or even honoured is not an effective use of time.

I would much rather hunt in large outdoor zones which can support several parties. Even though there may be no ZEM you can grab other lfg people and kill some stuff instead of all being on a single wait list to join that one group in mistmoore.