BREAKING: Obongo's TREASONOUS Moslem Afrocentric appeasement

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't suppose dominion over other nations and races, and I don't justify the meddling in foreign nations' affairs that forces them on the path of militarism with heartstring-tugging propaganda. I don't give a fuck if Iran murders Iranian protestors, or if Iranian people are unhappy. That does not give my nation license to meddle in Iran's affairs. I'm not a totalitarian, sorry.

This is quite simply the "world police" argument. The US literally kidnaps 17 year olds and pumps ground chickpeas into their ass without medical necessity to torture them. You want to talk about evil governments?

The only way forward is to scale back our meddling in foreign affairs. Without the intense economic and military interference that has turned Iran into a pressure-cooker, we might actually have a chance at seeing peace and an open Iran governed more like Turkey, or like Iran was before we literally toppled the regime. Also, what kind of twisted doublethink does it take to blame Iran for not being open to the West when it is sanctioned to shit by the West?

Nuclear weapons are ugly, but nuclear deterrence brings some semblance of stability. That's what Israel can't have if it is to expand its hegemony over the region.

thank god you where not fucking around when Adolf was in the reichtag fapping over europa map.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iran's government is evil.

[sean_nall]

Obama best president.

[Estolcles]

I'm anti-Islam, anti-Zion, and anti-Obama.

This is the situation of no winning. No matter which way you cut it, it's all a loss.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One thousard apologies, oh glorious male overlord. As an idiot woman, I forgot that I'm supposed to shut my whore mouth while men are talking -- just like the women of Iran are supposed to, right?

I'll try to remember my place next time. Do you like the new outfit I bought for my face? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Be clear woman. I dont think women are stupid in regards to the socio-political situation in the middle east. Just you. That comes from months of examining your obvious fox news talking points and casual bashing of an elected president. valid critism is one thing.... i have a ton about Dubya... but i never use pinko sjw left speech to bash the man. Listen to non american centric news organizations and have an original thought. Please do not attack my opinion bssed on your fucking feels.

[radditsu]

Im sure ill eat a ban for that one.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't give a fuck if Iran murders Iranian protestors, or if Iranian people are unhappy. That does not give my nation license to meddle in Iran's affairs. I'm not a totalitarian, sorry.

This is quite simply the "world police" argument. The US literally kidnaps 17 year olds and pumps ground chickpeas into their ass without medical necessity to torture them. You want to talk about evil governments?

The only way forward is to scale back our meddling in foreign affairs. Without the intense economic and military interference that has turned Iran into a pressure-cooker, we might actually have a chance at seeing peace and an open Iran governed more like Turkey, or like Iran was before we literally toppled the regime. Also, what kind of twisted doublethink does it take to blame Iran for not being open to the West when it is sanctioned to shit by the West?

Nuclear weapons are ugly, but nuclear deterrence brings some semblance of stability. That's what Israel can't have if it is to expand its hegemony over the region.

1. No shit. I do care about them though, because that's the only ting that matters in this world. Regardless of what you believe in, millions of people live and die under despotism and poverty, and unlikely you, thats the ONLY thing I care about. I am motivated purely by good will towards other people. Am I wrong some of the time? Of course. But my motivations are pure. Free Iran. That government has no intention of ever giving its people dignity or doing anything other than turning the Middle East into a meat grinder. I can't simply ignore the evidence that they can't be trusted with a nuke. They can't be trusted with any sort of power.

2. Sanctions were introduced on Iran because of human rights violations. Should America continue to trade with people who blatantly imprison political dissidents and suppress women? We put sanctions on the Apartheid government of South Africa, but somehow those sanctions were moral but these weren't? Please, go live in Iran. You would agree with my opinions in less than 5 minutes.

3. No one, including America, has any moral right to a nuclear weapon. But allowing proliferation in a region that has shown itself to be flat out crazy is not a rational policy, its the covering up of the absence of a policy. If Brazil asks for a nuke tomorrow, I wouldn't be worried, why the fuck would I be? But a region where Iran, Pakistan, and (next) Saudi Arabia have nuclear weapons? That's a danger not only to the people of Iran that you don't care about, it's also a threat to all life on this earth. People who think the earth is 6,000 years old and that a meteorite in Mecca that was once a pilgrimage site for pagans but now magically is the symbol of the one true god should not have the capability to eradicate all life on the planet, especially when they've proven themselves in the past of atrocities.

I'm done with the argument. I get it guys, you don't want war with Iran. No shit, who the fuck does. Nuclear proliferation is just flat out a bad idea. As evil as you think America is, it just doesn't compare to places like Russia or Iran. It really doesn't.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, 'cuz Iran is our trusted friend and ally... And Obama has a backbone? Lol GTFO.

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Israel is an ally, not a friend. Their systematic meddling in our internal politics is a core tenet of their state diplomacy.

Do I believe in the Israeli-US alliance? I fucking hate the Muslim cultures of the middle easy, so yes. Nobody brutalizes some Muslim savages like the Israelis. (I do not feel the same way about westernized moderate Muslims. There are very few westernized moderate Muslims. A Muslim living in the West who hasn't abandoned his culture is not a westernized moderate Muslim)

If you want to understand what 'friend' actually means in the context of international relations, look at the USA and Britain. If you understood anything about what Israel has put us through in the last few decades, you wouldn't place them in that category.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol

Iran getting a nuke is a good day for democracy? I really wish you guys had to live there for a month or so, just to get an idea how absolutely abysmal the government is on human rights. Most people live in total fear. It isn't always about how terrified they are of running afoul of the government; it's economic uncertainty, it's whether you'll be harassed for a bribe that day, or whether new sanctions will be placed on the implacable regime that still insists on supporting assad and Hezbollah over investing in the Iranian people's future.

Most years, iran is either #1 or #2 in the number of college educated lost to brain drain. It's a place where most people see no opportunity for themselves or their families.

I'm not getting into the nuke thing because I guess you guys don't see this starting a nuclear arms race in that region (it will), but I'll finish by saying that the bomb is just the latest theft in long series of transgressions committed by the Ayatollahs and the IRGC against the people they oppress.

brain drain:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/201...n_problem.html

Obama acting contrary to the Israeli lobby is a good day for democracy. You know damn well that Israel has asked the US for permission to attack Iran(and for help) through secret channels, and Obama refused. That's why you've seen them trying so hard to sidestep Obama entirely. They are pandering to Republicans now, and Bibi is praying every night before bed for a Republican president, so that he can "defend Israel" at all costs... down to the very last American soldier.

Whether or not Iran gets a nuke, or whether the current negotiations are productive to that end, are separate issues entirely. If the United States decides certain actions are required to prevent nuclear proliferation in Iran, that is our decision. Israel does not get to make that decision for us.

The younger generations of Iranians are a lot more liberal, pro-western, and secular, correct? Maybe when the old guard dies, Iran will come into the fold. It's a better strategy for the USA to bet on that happening, than it is for us to be the muscle behind an Israeli attack, and end up with another Iraq.

[Big_Japan]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No shit. I do care about them though, because that's the only ting that matters in this world. Regardless of what you believe in, millions of people live and die under despotism and poverty, and unlikely you, thats the ONLY thing I care about. I am motivated purely by good will towards other people. Am I wrong some of the time? Of course. But my motivations are pure. Free Iran. That government has no intention of ever giving its people dignity or doing anything other than turning the Middle East into a meat grinder. I can't simply ignore the evidence that they can't be trusted with a nuke. They can't be trusted with any sort of power.

2. Sanctions were introduced on Iran because of human rights violations. Should America continue to trade with people who blatantly imprison political dissidents and suppress women? We put sanctions on the Apartheid government of South Africa, but somehow those sanctions were moral but these weren't? Please, go live in Iran. You would agree with my opinions in less than 5 minutes.

3. No one, including America, has any moral right to a nuclear weapon. But allowing proliferation in a region that has shown itself to be flat out crazy is not a rational policy, its the covering up of the absence of a policy. If Brazil asks for a nuke tomorrow, I wouldn't be worried, why the fuck would I be? But a region where Iran, Pakistan, and (next) Saudi Arabia have nuclear weapons? That's a danger not only to the people of Iran that you don't care about, it's also a threat to all life on this earth. People who think the earth is 6,000 years old and that a meteorite in Mecca that was once a pilgrimage site for pagans but now magically is the symbol of the one true god should not have the capability to eradicate all life on the planet, especially when they've proven themselves in the past of atrocities.

I'm done with the argument. I get it guys, you don't want war with Iran. No shit, who the fuck does. Nuclear proliferation is just flat out a bad idea. As evil as you think America is, it just doesn't compare to places like Russia or Iran. It really doesn't.

Human rights violations were the pretext to sanctions, just like theyve been the pretext to wars of aggression. If the word "evil" has something to do with your outlook on geopolitics and American foreign policy you are oblivious. Sorry.

This isn't about kittens and rainbows, it's about strong-arming a self-determining state into playing ball with pillaging Zionists and neocolonial Babylon.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The younger generations of Iranians are a lot more liberal, pro-western, and secular, correct? Maybe when the old guard dies, Iran will come into the fold. It's a better strategy for the USA to bet on that happening, than it is for us to be the muscle behind an Israeli attack, and end up with another Iraq.

Yes, they are. I hope you're right. But I don't see it happening that way. People, unfortunately, don't give up power easily. I think if genuine change ever occurred, it would be crushed by the IRGC, in the same way Assad crushed the syrians.