Consider Project 2002

[Wharhog]

~ swaps windows on eqw if you are using two monitors.

[budorf]

Originally Posted by Wharhog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=505 problem solved!

Haha, awesome! Glad to know that is available. I may keep the name though. Being a human SK, makes more sense to be a bad guy in the roleplaying sense at least.

[Bristlebard]

What's the population like? I know it was a Tuesday afternoon, but I was pretty bummed to see 16 total characters online earlier today when I got it set up.

[Wharhog]

Pop was 90 the other night during prime time . I expect to see it over 200 at kunark launch

[jetviper21]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not speculation. You took advantage of an open source project and threw their development team under the bus that made your server possible by claiming their work as your own. Just because you are 'closed source' doesn't mean it gives you an excuse to claim everything you have done as yours.

You can not make this statement. For two reasons.

1. It was the tak team that told p2002 to go make a server if they did not like tak. So they did.

2. Every open source project is out there in the wild is to be taken advantage of... that is kind of the entire point of open source. Even p99 took advantage of some older EQEMU code when they got started. I bet their database wasn't even from scratch. So the logic in this argument is flawed if you didn't want people to take what you started and use it for enjoyment then why publish it as open source in the first place.

I think the key thing everyone forget is that the majority of p2002 developers were beta testers from tak WE HELPED BUILD IT. You you simply can not make the claim we took advantage of tak when in fact we were apart of tak. That would be like taking advantage of yourself which can be quite pleasurable.

I will dump both of the databases so you can see the content diff and you can see how much of tak we actually kept if you are that concerned about it. But to be honest you and torven are the only ones that seem to respond with hostility to p2002 threads. Its like you play a game to bait wharhogg out to look like an idiot (which he is quite good at).

All in all P2002 was born because some of the developers on the tak project have personality conflicts with the P2002 staff and in order to make the play ground fun again we decided to part ways. We all would still probably working on tak if those rough edges hadn't of collided.

[Secrets]

1. It was the tak team that told p2002 to go make a server if they did not like tak. So they did.

You can make a server but you are breaching the one simple request that we made: keep it open sourced so if someone hates your server they can make a clone of your server.

So the logic in this argument is flawed if you didn't want people to take what you started and use it for enjoyment then why publish it as open source in the first place.

So it can be preserved. I don't care who runs it, never have, but obviously I would be taken back a bit if someone were to run off with the project and make it closed source while the open source project(s) could benefit in some way. If this is farfetched to you as a software developer, then maybe you should stop looking at this like it's a for-profit venture and more like FOSS.

It's not a competition, as I have stated before. People are entitled to take Linux and download and install it, but the mentality behind the project is you can't just be like Nvidia and close-source your drivers because 'you don't want trade secrets out'.

That's not how it works, and why Linus Torvalds has said fuck you to Nvidia on multiple occasions.

But to be honest you and torven are the only ones that seem to respond with hostility to p2002 threads.

I'm pretty sure all hostility is because we were provoked into responding by members of your server. I am willing to take you serious if it isn't a competition and a competition mentality isn't promoted between us. I am also willing to put this topic aside for the greater part of what we're both working for: preserving EQMac.

Originally Posted by jetviper21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We all would still probably working on tak

You can't make the claim, as a team, that you are contributing, which other developers have claimed, while other developers claim blatantly that you aren't contributing such as the above.

I have seen some path files contributed lately (and I thank you guys for that, they are great) and i've also seen comments saying 'we're withholding data you can have'. TAK is not withholding data and will never withhold data.

So drop that mentality and let's get some 2002-era EverQuest made. I am sick of reading such vile hatred for both of our projects.

I am open to working with you guys and implementing your contributions. Always have been. I don't think anyone would reject contributions because of who a person is, or what they've done. Just need to see it happen.

[apio]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=554

We are done arguing with you about this. If you have something of value to add, you are welcome to join the discussion on our forum, have a nice day!

[BossThunderace]

7 days until Kunark goes live, be there for GM event!

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=554

We are done arguing with you about this. If you have something of value to add, you are welcome to join the discussion on our forum, have a nice day!

So you're not willing to share information back because you perceive us as a threat.

I'm not going to post on your forums anything more than I have said here - information can be modified there beyond our control based on your likings. You can talk to me in IRC if you want to talk about contributions.

Personally, the way some people from the TAK staff have handled the situation is just more reason for me to NOT share information. First off we didn't receive any credit for all the work we had put in on TAK in the first place, and the continuous criticism we have to face DESPITE leaving like they asked us to while still contributing back, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. But having an Allaclone will help us as a project more than it will hurt us, because it will be way easier for our players to actively contribute, and that positive far outweighs any negatives

Again with the competitive mentality. It is not about how much you contribute to a project. It is about goals being reached as a community. I'm not going to write a web crawler to search an allaclone when that information should be submitted to us.

As I have said before, contact me about contributing. I am in irc.eqemulator.net:6667 #eqemucoders - feel free to contact me through private messages there and we can talk reasonably instead of through forum banter.

[apio]

As of 2 days ago, we have released the Hole and Stonebrunt Mountains.

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