Current Sky Schedule

[bktroost]

Could the leader of anonymous pm me to work out an agreement for noble on the Saturday slot they just entered into.

[Ozn]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO better to get the negotiations right the first time. In my experience with negotiations, "status quo" is often a hard starting point to move from.

This conversation shouldn't even involve the word 'negotiations'. If Forsaken is in fact presenting themselves as a newly formed guild then they shouldn't be utilizing past TMO negotiations and tenure as leverage for procuring a Sky slot. All reference to past TMO-related conversations, tenure, etc. should be null.

Every guild here has worked together to occupy the slots in a relatively amicable manner. Forsaken should get to the back of the line (like everyone else has) and be happy with what's been presented to them. This is a player-enforced schedule and the only players being unreasonable are from a new guild.

/lawyerquest off

[Mastere842]

Originally Posted by Ozn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This conversation shouldn't even involve the word 'negotiations'. If Forsaken is in fact presenting themselves as a newly formed guild then they shouldn't be utilizing past TMO negotiations and tenure as leverage for procuring a Sky slot. All reference to past TMO-related conversations, tenure, etc. should be null.

Every guild here has worked together to occupy the slots in a relatively amicable manner. Forsaken should get to the back of the line (like everyone else has) and be happy with what's been presented to them. This is a player-enforced schedule and the only players being unreasonable are from a new guild.

/lawyerquest off

Where was all this support that they are a new guild when they got suspended? So they should b suspended because they are NOT a new guild like GM stated, but at the same time they should lose thier slot because they are a new guild now. You trolls are funny say one thing in one tread and say the opposite in the other thread. Either they are a new guild and should have not been suspended but lost slot, or they are NOT a new guild and should have been suspended but retained slot. You trolls cant have it both ways that they get suspended and lose slot.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to be fair there were 2 nobles that day and they knew there were 2 nobles that day until the ooa's despawned, they offered you a very fair agreement. you guys just didnt know how nobels work.

The deal was very fair from our perspective. However, on that note, I'm also not known for making overwhelmingly one-sided deals either. TMO had maintained Sky Sunday for years. When A-Team and Inglourious Bastards merged, we were very excited to no longer share a day (an agreement I enforced our leadership to uphold out of respect for both Cobblestone and Argh during their respective leadership phases). We had no interest in sharing Sunday any longer, however it appears my kindness is now being viewed as weakness as I elected to work out an arrangement that let Haggard Krew raid Sky uninterrupted on Sundays. Further, we told you that you could even raid during our time when we weren't going to be in Sky.

From our perspective, we were the bigger guild and it's not really Class-C's nature to believe that everything is up for 50/50 grabs. You didn't just automatically deserve 50% of all nobles that spawned on that day, we'd had that day for years and really had no reason to even share the day with you once A-Team moved on. That's not really native to just Class-C though. I'd have a hard time believing that even the larger Class-R guilds like Taken and BDA would feel you were entitled to 50% nobles as the 'new kids on the block'.

You were getting 50% of all nobles as long as there were 2 spawning on Sunday, and 50% of any third Noble. Additionally, you would have gotten every noble that we were in VP for for as long as mobs in VP were in window on Sundays. Effectively, you had a chance 3 nobles (100%) every Sunday. The only sacrifice was there would be some weeks you didn't get any, if there was only 1 spawning and VP mobs weren't in window.

To recap our conversation:

Sset,

Thanks for being patient and I apologize for keeping you hanging for so long. I ran a few ideas past the rest of leadership regarding the matter and this is what we felt would best suit us while still respecting the intentions of Haggard Krew's progression.

There can be multiple Nobles that spawn per day. As TMO has held Sunday for sky for several years now (most of that time we had the whole day), TMO feels most fair that we reserve the right to kill the first noble spawn on the day we share - Sunday. Should a second Noble spawn, Haggard Krew, then has the right to either engage it or pass it back to us. In the even of a third spawn, HK and TMO can rotate that one. In the event that HK passed on their second spawn and TMO engaged it, HK can take the third noble regardless of who is up in the rotation for that one or pass.

Also, regarding the first noble, I want to stress that on days we will not be going for noble, we will reach out to Haggard Krew and offer it to them.

Thoughts?

I'll pass this on to our raid leadership and let them know we've got something to work with.

Best of luck tonight,
TMO!

Also, I'd like to say, regardless of the outcome of our above negotiation, I appreciate the tone we both kept while dealing with the issue. Unfortunately, there are several others officers in Haggard Krew that don't follow your lead or appreciation for civility. My willingness to work anything out with anyone significantly decreases when your officers tell me or any of the officers of Forsaken "If you don't like it, you're going to deal with it".

Finally,

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also i doubt unbrella represents forsaken, hes prob just trolling.

I do and I'm not.

[Ella`Ella]

And, just on a second thought - HK is in the middle of a learning curve with sky and taking longer to clear the AM slot making it difficult for anyone in the PM slot.

Kinda like in golf - if you're the slow golfer, let the guys behind you play through.

[xexbis0]

If you give a mouse a cookie....

[Erati]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you give a mouse a cookie....

a lizard later eats a slightly more plump than before mouse?

"ok ok sorry for thread derail- back on topic"

If HK doesnt do bees it makes more sense for Forsaken to have the AM slot as then everything will be up avail in the evening for HK.

If both guilds did bees then a rotation would need to be worked out and its usually the PM slot that would suffer - so the AM slot in this situation is usually preferred unless the guild base is very PST/Euro/Late night

[randomhero401]

I have sent PM's to Ella and we are going to attempt to work on something that works out for both of the guilds. Will post back once the talks have been completed.

[Detoxx]

It is extremely unfair to hold this "new guild" thing over our heads just because it benefits you this time. You guys didn't even clear past isle 3 last week. Forsaken can go there in the morning and clear all of sky within 3 hours. This allows for 2 full clears on Sunday.

Koryu sent my officers messages demanding the slot and being overall rude about it. That kind of attitude makes it difficult to work with someone

[koryu]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is extremely unfair to hold this "new guild" thing over our heads just because it benefits you this time. You guys didn't even clear past isle 3 last week. Forsaken can go there in the morning and clear all of sky within 3 hours. This allows for 2 full clears on Sunday.

Don't spread lies. We were on 5 sunday.