Zenren, maybe you played on a utopian live server with a perfect guild and community of players in 1999, but this just isn't how the world works, in an mmorpg or not. Your list of rules strikes me as incredibly preachy and misguided.
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1) You gave up a camp to a group of people appropriate level that wanted/needed to level there, especially if you gained no experience from the camp. If you needed a specific mob, then you made it clear they could level there, but you were camping the "boss".
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This is almost always the case on P99, unless the person / people holding the camp are actually gaining EXP or items they need from it. Very rarely do people waste their time mass-killing monsters for no reason at all. Try communicating with whoever is there if you feel they are being unfair. If they aren't breaking any server rules, and aren't willing to cooperate, you should probably just accept it.
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2) If you were power leveling someone and additional people showed up, you either let the other people join the PL group or you moved somewhere else so they could use that spot. We didn't believe that just because we had reached 60th that meant we had the right to be selfish, rather it was our chance to help other people out that were leveling up.
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Very, very rarely will someone who is PLing their friends openly give up a huge portion, up to half, of the EXP they are gaining. This just doesn't make any sense. Part of the reward for leveling a high level character, is the benefit of helping your friends level. If you aren't their friend, please don't be so self-entitled as to expect them to share their time free of charge. This was just as true during classic era as it is on P99. Following your logic, should a player who is paying 1-2k an hour for PLing from a stranger, be just as willing to invite you and share half of this EXP, free of charge?
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3) You let people join your group regardless of what gear they had or what class they were. We didn't worry as much about "gimp gear" or "that troll shadow knight getting all the xp!" We considered ourselves a community and tried to help each other out.
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There is truth to this, I will agree. But keep in mind, during classic era, there were much fewer twinks and players who had already done the content multiple times. Kunark has been active for over 4 years on P99, and there are many players that know what they want, and want to achieve it quickly. Powergamers like to compose the most efficient groups, and it is perfectly reasonable for them to do so. Look around a bit more, and you will see that there are just as many, if not more, groups that will accept you whatever your class/race combo is, assuming it fills whatever role the group needs.
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4) We tried to follow a need before greed rule, in fact EQ was where that term came from. This means that if a cleric item dropped at a camp and a cleric was there, you let the cleric have the item if he needed it. If they didn't you rolled.
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This is extremely rare on P99, and was pretty rare during classic era as well, at least in my experience on Xegony and Fennin Ro from 1999-2002. As other people in this thread have stated, almost all items of value in Kunark are trade-able, and can easily go toward funding other items. If you go into pickup groups with strangers on P99 expecting need-before-greed to be the case, you are going to be sorely disappointed almost every time. If you feel this is the only decent way for a group to handle loot drops, make sure to make the loot system very clear well before you, or anyone else invests much time in your party. If you find some like-minded people, and make the NBG system clear beforehand, you can certainly run groups like this on P99. But it is not the understood norm, nor should it be considering the state of the game.
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5) You helped your fellow player out. I don't know how many times I was running back to my corpse, ten zones away, and suddenly a "so and so wants to rez you" message popped up. No one asked for money or needed anything in return, they were just doing what was considered the right thing in that community. Random buffs were common at that time. As a gnome rogue I had people constantly buff me as I ran by (I'm sure sympathy played a large part).
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Judging by your posts, I don't think you have actually spent all that much time on P99. I can assure you, there are a huge number of players who love helping others out. But there's a time and place for everything. Free rezzes, random buffs, and even free items are extremely commonplace on P99. But you need to not expect it 100% of the time, and be grateful when it happens, not resent every moment that it doesn't. If you really need help for something, and are willing to wait a short while, try making a request post on this forum. Chances are someone will help you before long.
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6) We weren't fan bois. We didn't believe everything was alright and we called people out on their BS. If someone was doing something wrong the community addressed it. If someone ninja looted, it was just a matter of time before people found out. If a guild consistently behaved poorly, then they were treated accordingly. People didn't try to push these things under the bed or act like they weren't happening, they addressed them in the moment.
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I don't understand what "fan bois" has to do with any of that, but everything else you state here DOES happen on P99. Check the other forums, if people are open assholes, they are called out both in-game, and name-and-shamed on the forums. If people ninja loot, they are called in the zone, reported to their guild, and sometimes even petitioned if the infraction is big enough. Individual players and entire guilds regularly get suspended for "behaving poorly" in all sorts of different ways. Very few people on P99 are "pushing these things under the bed". Stick around, and keep playing, and you will quickly see this to be true.
If you want my advice, stop dwelling on the negatives, and focus on the positives. In my P99 career, which has lasted over 5 years now, I have experienced much more positive interaction with players than negative. That being said, there are always bad apples, and even otherwise very generous and decent players have their bad days.
06-23-2015, 09:20 PM
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