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[Salty]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With how much both Haynar and I have pushed for improved stability in this code, and how much we've done with it toward that end, no other server can compare.

This is absolute truth, and I've experienced it first hand. Which is why we would like to extend this project to legit pvp as the contributions that you guys have made to the overall project would help us achieve our goal at a reasonable rate.

I believe that with the amount of people who will be trying every small means to exploit, packet attack, crash zones, and dupe; that more fixes will be in place that otherwise wouldn't stick out in a pve environment. Competition just isn't that intense on PvE. I know I've found a few devastating sploits on vztz that I've come to find on p99 that I otherwise wouldn't for the sole fact I wanted to get ahead faster than anyone else. There is a much bigger drive to find loopholes in EVERYTHING when your ass is on the line, competing 24/7 in ruthless PvP. When you fuck up, there is a good chance you won't have your shit for the next 6 hours.

I guess it really comes down to, is Eqemu a community project or separated into cliques? There are plenty that would like to offer their time to hard-code for the overall Eqemu value so we can keep playing without disruption or personal quirks that undermine advancement.

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess it really comes down to, is Eqemu a community project or separated into cliques? There are plenty that would like to offer their time to hard-code for the overall Eqemu value so we can keep playing without disruption or personal quirks that undermine advancement.

EQEMU is definitely more segmented now than it used to be. Quite a few project forks have happened that don't release their source code/database to the public until the server is long dead. A big sense of entitlement and egotism is usually at fault, but other times there are legitimate reasons (like fearing Sony, or having a cheat detection system that you want to be kept secret.) There's also the problem of no one agreeing on a database to work on and compare results. Some prefer PEQ, others Angelox, and then others still are spinning off of the base projects but changing things so radically, it's hard to import the trunk changes of the original project.

Angelox being a one man operation is pretty cool, I think trevius also does his own thing by himself and gets stuff done. The big servers always have a team, and they always act like their fixes and their code are the holy grail. Then you have people like KingMort, that constantly rope in developers to help the project but ultimately take credit for the majority of it.

There aren't many cliques in EQEMU anymore. Occasionally an old "clique" will resurface and try to take over the project (Image/devn00b/tcsmyworld) and cause a stir which polarizes the community pretty bad and adds to the pre-existing segmentation.

A lot of EQEMU (world server inparticular) needs to be completely thrown out and re-written. Code analytics and performance profiling only takes you so far before your foundation is inherently the problem. Maintenance programming isn't what is needed here, you'll need actual development and constant debug output to maintain a PVP server that doesn't die in a year. Which leads to more hardware requirements, and a lot of paid or volunteer work. Simply sharing the p99 code base with a sister PVP server would cause a lot of communications problems and drag on the parent project, unless the dev team had the time/resources shared per side. I just don't see it happening until nilbog finalizes his server.

[Salty]

Good post, this line struck out to me the most.

A lot of EQEMU (world server inparticular) needs to be completely thrown out and re-written

World/Zone server is absolutely atrocious beyond all means. Many have expressed interest in working on these problems, and what you described gives a well point of view of "The Situation."

It really puts a damper on pvp guys like Vile who is developing on top of complete shit, and an Eqemu forum staff guy ruins his project setting him back to square 1. One less evangelist with a following, burnt out on trying to get a stable pvp server out of beta; let alone free of exploits.

P99 is at the core of the entire Eqemu project in terms of any popular form of measurement, remember that.

[Kazowi]

EQemu needs stable legit pvp.

Emperor Rexx supports this message.

[mitic]

everyone on his knees, rexx has spoken

[Prince]

Originally Posted by Kazowi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQemu needs stable legit pvp.

Agree wholeheartedly.

[mitic]

"prince" is bringing back bad memories....

[Knuckle]

Hey pals, Salty has pointed out the technical and rational argument for 'why' you should have a legit pvp server. I'm here to point out the irrational and more fun reasons why you should.

PVP is fun as fuck, most of the bluebies on this server are like virgins and need to get fucked, then they will love it. They will be redbees. And you will provide the ultimate playground for them. It will entice new players. The fact that you offer a blue and red server of legit/classic quality with a slow leveling pace will create the ultimate emu monopoly. You will entice more developers and expand your horizons. But mostly, you will entice me to play, and the celebrity factor of the drunken wheelchair monk. I guarantee all the lurking players on the VZTZ forum, which numbers in the 100s im sure, who aren't playing, would all LEAP at a peq99 pvp server. I like vz/tz. Its fun. But a PEQ99 server with the amount of players you push each night is pure win. bring that win to a new level, like wheaties in chocolate milk, no fuck that, like BACON in chocolate milk, becuase bacon makes everthing better, like sex, bacon sex; that's what a PEQ pvp server is. do it.

[Blazed420]

this^ and wheaties in chocolate milk is fucking amazing...thought i was the only one that did that.

[Salty]

The eqemu community is going to be stuck with their weiners in their hand when Sony sees P99 as competition to their new progression server in Q1-Q2 of 2011.

What are we going to do if, god forbid, P99 is no longer an option?

You're going to lose the entire playerbase because there is little options available.

Don't hurt the Eqemu community, let it grow. Listen to the PvP celebs who posted above, they know their shit and have the history. We want stability, provide us with the option bros.