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wts · #**2171** 08-30-2015, 11:59 AM

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Does anyone know why the producers are killing off characters that are still very much alive in the books?

Winter is coming, whether GRRM can still write or not. This whole thing went off the rails because Martin couldn't deliver a book before HBO had to deliver the last season. Now they're just making shit up. Lady Stoneheart leading an army? smh

Sidelle · #**2172** 08-30-2015, 02:53 PM

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The show is so drastically different from the book that my head is spinning. I legitimately cannot remember sometimes if a scene I remember is from the show or the books. I picture the show's cast and sets when reading the books now so it can get confusing.

I know just what you mean... Have you tried going to Game of Thrones Wiki? It's for the TV series info only.A Wiki of Ice and Fire is all about what happens in the books. Hope that helps. I think there are more websites besides these two but I've found these to be most helpful.

MrSparkle001 · #**2173** 08-30-2015, 03:31 PM

Yeah it does help and I use both of them.

See I forgot all about Lady Stoneheart. She's barely mentioned in the books and as far as I remember maybe once in the show (or maybe not, again I can't remember if I saw it or imagined it while reading). It's possible she commands an army in the upcoming book. It's also possible they really do have to make shit up because GRRM can't get off his lazy ass and write.

And what's with this talk of Jon Snow not being Ned's bastard son? I don't think I've once read any hint that he might not be. I fully expect him to not be dead in the next book and season but I don't expect them to say he's Rhaegar's son unless that's something GRRM has planned. Are there any hints in the books that he might not be a Stark? Or even the series?

beyondinfin · #**2174** 08-30-2015, 05:39 PM

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Yeah it does help and I use both of them.

See I forgot all about Lady Stoneheart. She's barely mentioned in the books and as far as I remember maybe once in the show (or maybe not, again I can't remember if I saw it or imagined it while reading). It's possible she commands an army in the upcoming book. It's also possible they really do have to make shit up because GRRM can't get off his lazy ass and write.

And what's with this talk of Jon Snow not being Ned's bastard son? I don't think I've once read any hint that he might not be. I fully expect him to not be dead in the next book and season but I don't expect them to say he's Rhaegar's son unless that's something GRRM has planned. Are there any hints in the books that he might not be a Stark? Or even the series?

"Promise me Ned....Promise me..."

Id say most indicators for Jon not being full Stark come from Ned chapters in GoT. I unfortunately cannot be specific besides Ned's promise to Lyanna.

MrSparkle001 · #**2175** 08-30-2015, 09:42 PM

Yeah I googled the theory and it does make sense considering all the little things I completely forgot about. I guess even Ghost and his wolf dreams can be attributed to Lyanna.

But it always made sense to me that he was a Stark. He had an honorable father who succumbed to the desires many men away at war succumb to and was still honorable enough to bring him home and raise him. He shared the strange Stark shapeshifting thing. His look was similar to if not exactly like his siblings. And GRRM's world was a very medieval world where bastards born in war were common.

I never paid enough attention to think those things could be attributed to a R+L=J theory but it makes sense.

All I know for sure is he's not dead. I wish the same could be said for Stannis and Barristan in the show which is why I don't know if can call the show "good".

holahouze · #**2176** 08-31-2015, 06:20 AM

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Winter is coming, whether GRRM can still write or not. This whole thing went off the rails because Martin couldn't deliver a book before HBO had to deliver the last season. Now they're just making shit up. Lady Stoneheart leading an army? smh

I agree with you. Martin's slow progress put showrunners in a jackpot. They're problem solving now. I find this drama kind of interesting in a way. But, it doesn't excuse Dorne...

I assumed from the rumor that army = BWOB. If the showrunners make BWOB some massive 10k force, then yeah, not good.

holahouze · #**2177** 08-31-2015, 06:38 AM

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Yeah I googled the theory and it does make sense considering all the little things I completely forgot about. I guess even Ghost and his wolf dreams can be attributed to Lyanna.

But it always made sense to me that he was a Stark. He had an honorable father who succumbed to the desires many men away at war succumb to and was still honorable enough to bring him home and raise him. He shared the strange Stark shapeshifting thing. His look was similar to if not exactly like his siblings. And GRRM's world was a very medieval world where bastards born in war were common.

I never paid enough attention to think those things could be attributed to a R+L=J theory but it makes sense.

All I know for sure is he's not dead. I wish the same could be said for Stannis and Barristan in the show which is why I don't know if can call the show "good".

You guys are confusing me re: this theory you're referring to. Jon gets his Stark-ness from Lyanna. R+L=J, right? What am i missing?

Whether Jon is dead or not depends on your definition of dead. I think his heart stops pumping, and he gets resurrected. But, he probably wargs into Ghost. The aftermath at the wall is going to be righteous (in the books).

wts · #**2178** 08-31-2015, 07:16 AM

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Are there any hints in the books that he might not be a Stark? Or even the series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-u2gUM4Vvc

holahouze · #**2179** 08-31-2015, 09:39 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-u2gUM4Vvc

Ah, thank you. I've watched/listened to these before. Jacobs is very knowledgeable, confident and persuasive. But, i have to admit, i do not have the processor speed to keep up with him. He just keeps lapping me. And, I'm too casual to take the trouble of making notes and following it closely.

Call me stubborn or lazy or both. B+A=J & R+L=D would be a huge upset.

wts · #**2180** 08-31-2015, 11:17 PM

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B+A=J & R+L=D would be a huge upset.

Yes, but it would be a great troll for all the R+L=J nerds. If the latter turns out to be true, which seems almost certain at this point, at the least Preston has pointed out multiple plot holes.