Upcoming change to class epics

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I get home later I'll look up all the epic quest and make suggestions on which hand in should have a lvl check. See how that is felt by the staff.

They want to add an item-level requirement ala Luclin Era restriction to epics. So you cannot equip the epic before 46, even if you farmed and worked hard for thousands of hours to earn your twink his epic.

Maybe you missed that part. Nobody is saying 46+ to do the turn-in is wrong.

We are saying THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED TIME INTO THE CURRENT SYSTEM AND SAVED PLATINUM AND FARMED FOR MONTHS/YEARS TO EARN THEIR EPIC HAVE WASTED THEIR TIME BECAUSE THEIR ITEM WON'T BE ABLE TO BE EQUIPPED AFTER THIS CHANGE GOES LIVE.

THE ITEM RESTRICTION IS WHERE THE CORE ARGUMENT SHOULD BE. CHANGING TO 46+ DOES NOT AFFECT AS MUCH AS TAKING ITEMS AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO ALREADY EARNED THEM.

PEOPLE EARNED THEIR ITEMS AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THEM AWAY.

Does that make sense now why people are upset? Yeesh nobody cares about the 46+ turn-in change. Its the item restriction that is causing hard-earned leveling twinks to LOSE THEIR ITEM THAT THEY PUT THE TIME IN FOR.

How are people not getting this?

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They want to add an item-level requirement ala Luclin Era restriction to epics. So you cannot equip the epic before 46, even if you farmed and worked hard for thousands of hours to earn your twink his epic.

Maybe you missed that part. Nobody is saying 46+ to do the turn-in is wrong.

We are saying THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED TIME INTO THE CURRENT SYSTEM AND SAVED PLATINUM AND FARMED FOR MONTHS/YEARS TO EARN THEIR EPIC HAVE WASTED THEIR TIME BECAUSE THEIR ITEM WON'T BE ABLE TO BE EQUIPPED AFTER THIS CHANGE GOES LIVE.

THE ITEM RESTRICTION IS WHERE THE CORE ARGUMENT SHOULD BE. CHANGING TO 46+ DOES NOT AFFECT AS MUCH AS TAKING ITEMS AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO ALREADY EARNED THEM.

PEOPLE EARNED THEIR ITEMS AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THEM AWAY.

Does that make sense now why people are upset? Yeesh nobody cares about the 46+ turn-in change. Its the item restriction that is causing hard-earned leveling twinks to LOSE THEIR ITEM THAT THEY PUT THE TIME IN FOR.

How are people not getting this?

Our sandbox. Get over it. Its happening.

If it ruins your fun ganking lowbies, the door is that way. ==>

[Rararboker]

Gotta say, this sucks from a blue99 perspective. But it makes me way more interested in red99 again. Getting chased by that stupid epic ranger in unrest was annoying even if he couldn't snare or root me.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Our sandbox. Get over it. Its happening.

If it ruins your fun ganking lowbies, the door is that way. ==>

Whats wrong with adding the 46+ item restriction to red99 and leaving blue alone?

Can we get a comment on a possible reasonable compromise instead? Its the levelers on blue this change is affecting the most.

That is why people are upset. Nobody cares about your handful of 3-5 degenerate gankers on red99 that are forcing this change. BAN THE GRIEFERS ITS AGAINST THE PNP CLEARLY IN THE RULES.

Add a restriction to red somehow to preserve the classic Project 1999 twinking. Or just ban the griefing scumbags, as there are already rules in place which state that griefing is a bannable offense. Whatever it takes to leave Blue alone.

The door is that way? How about just looking at whats been done in the past when Red99 has become a problem, which is SERVER SPECIFIC GAMEPLAY MODIFICATIONS.

[Viscian]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Our sandbox. Get over it. Its happening.

If it ruins your fun ganking lowbies, the door is that way. ==>

It is your sandbox. However, it's here for our enjoyment also and you keep making unclassic changes there won't be anyone playing in your sandbox.

Item level equip requirements did not get introduced until Luclin. Anyone that played Pre-Luclin will agree to this. You could do MQ quest without level requirements on certain epics. i.e in Velious my 44 cleric was MQed his epic. Some hailing of epic npcs was not needed.

Even the level requirements on some weapons could still be equipped and used. It was just the weapon damage was dumbed down to your level. As you leveled your weapon got stronger with you.

The problem with this server is this. The time between Kunark and Velious was not 5 years. By this time in live moon cats and froglok warriors were a thing.

As far as ganking lowbies on Red99. Start enforcing the policy in place and suspend/perma-ban the asshat griefers.

Then the all time go to argument/reason seen here.. But it will stop RMT'ing. No it won't. By the time you finish trying to completely rid this server of RMT this will be your server. Every piece of droppable armor, weapons would have to become No-drop. Any new IP's logged into the account get suspended until the owner can produce his/her ID and proof he/she is the original owner.

You want a truly amazing classic server. Either completely wipe both servers or start fresh server. With Velious finished you can now follow the time line ( and not have 5 years of stagnant same dragon killing ) This is truly what created ALL your problems. The players had nothing better to do but bitch and moan with each other. Take out all the non-classic changes implemented to this server due to the content taking so long to be released. Then during the Velious time line when Luclin should be released, then either open another server which follows the time line and merge at the Luclin expansion or create the classically inspired content.

[jaybone]

Originally Posted by Viscian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is your sandbox. However, it's here for our enjoyment also and you keep making unclassic changes there won't be anyone playing in your sandbox.

Item level equip requirements did not get introduced until Luclin. Anyone that played Pre-Luclin will agree to this. You could do MQ quest without level requirements on certain epics. i.e in Velious my 44 cleric was MQed his epic. Some hailing of epic npcs was not needed.

Even the level requirements on some weapons could still be equipped and used. It was just the weapon damage was dumbed down to your level. As you leveled your weapon got stronger with you.

The problem with this server is this. The time between Kunark and Velious was not 5 years. By this time in live moon cats and froglok warriors were a thing.

As far as ganking lowbies on Red99. Start enforcing the policy in place and suspend/perma-ban the asshat griefers.

Then the all time go to argument/reason seen here.. But it will stop RMT'ing. No it won't. By the time you finish trying to completely rid this server of RMT this will be your server. Every piece of droppable armor, weapons would have to become No-drop. Any new IP's logged into the account get suspended until the owner can produce his/her ID and proof he/she is the original owner.

You sound like a mad RMTer .

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound like a mad RMTer .

Funny. That was what I was beginning to think. Epics at low levels are probably popular. From a seller and buyers perspective.

H

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny. That was what I was beginning to think. Epics at low levels are probably popular. From a seller and buyers perspective.

H

I don't mean to be a pest about this. But the common solution thrown around on here is to buy a PL to 46 and MQ your epic then. 4-5 hours to 46? That hardly seems like a desirable solution if you believe that there is value in playing through the 1-46 game to learn your class (even with an epic).

It seems like if curbing RMT was really a goal of this solution, all this would do is force those who want to RMT an epic would also RMT PL service to 46, or, worse, RMT would just start selling accounts with the desired character.

I guess I'm just not really understanding the meta goal that disallowing pre-46 epics is trying to accomplish. It seems like a non-classic change with minimal benefit.

Edit: My concern stems from earlier stated goals of the server. The idea behind no boxing and no RMT is that the server is here for people who actually want to play the game. If this is a strong motivator for the game, then wouldn't we want to disincentivize skipping large sections of the game? Even a fully twinked out epic rogue will find that grouping is more efficient than soloing. Forcing people to level to 46 before they can twink with an epic may increase PL activity, which doesn't seem to go along with this goal of increasing the amount of characters controlled by people that play the game.

[Ashenden]

Originally Posted by Viscian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, it's here for our enjoyment also

Nope.

Originally Posted by Viscian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you keep making unclassic changes there won't be anyone playing

Haha.

[Villide]

Originally Posted by Viscian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is your sandbox. However, it's here for our enjoyment also and you keep making unclassic changes there won't be anyone playing in your sandbox.

Heh. Pretty sure I've been seeing similar comments since the day this server opened.