Upcoming change to class epics

[Grubbz]

Originally Posted by Kender [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you and others like you have totally missed the point

many epics coudlnt be completed until you were a certain level. the quest giver simply wouldnt talk to you or accept the items. Even the rogue epic has an NPC that wont talk to anyone below level 50 and that's the easiest to complete

IMO epic MQ's should be removed entirely so that people legitimately trying to do their quest dont get blocked out by farmers

WRONG - No epic quest NPC before luclin came out had a min level req and if you disagree with this you have never truly played eq back in its heyday.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Grubbz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WRONG - No epic quest NPC before luclin came out had a min level req and if you disagree with this you have never truly played eq back in its heyday.

This. Kender is simply incorrect. A FEW EPICS had a level 50 CHAT restriction I believe on the NPC conversation. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TURN-IN WORKING, AS WE FOUND OUT ONCE THE QUESTS WERE SOLVED. MANY QUESTS HAD NON-TRIGGERED DIALOGUE THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE TO COMPLETE.

Only 2-3 classes epic quests had a meaningful "Hail" restriction that prevented anyone below 50 from triggering the dialogue to cause a despawn/repop/pop. Etc. that I can recall. If you wanted to make it classic you would need to do forum archive research and learn which NPCs/epics were impacted by the sub-50 "Hail"/chat/dialogue restriction.

The majority of epics were not affected by the level 50 chat/hail restriction because the dialogue was discovered to be meaningless unless triggers/depops based on DIALOGUE were necessary.

You obviously didn't play 1999-2001 era. As previously mentioned in the thread, people recall Telin Darkforest not responding in classic, but he would accept the items anyway as it didn't require dialogue to depop/trigger anything. He took the items no problem.

[Grubbz]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only 2-3 classes epic quests had a meaningful "Hail" restriction that prevented anyone below 50 from triggering the dialogue to cause a despawn/repop/pop. Etc. that I can recall. If you wanted to make it classic you would need to do forum archive research and learn which NPCs/epics were impacted by the sub-50 "Hail"/chat/dialogue restriction.

You obviously didn't play 1999-2001 era.

Pretty sure the beastlords epic quest started the whole min level to spawn epic mob (you couldn't spawn the spirits prior to 51, if i recall correctly) or hand in items.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doing restrictions/patches based off of original developer intent now? When's that Soulfire nerf coming?

This.

Though I tend to agree with the caps lock warriors. I agree NPCs had talking level restrictions, however they accepted items just fine. I know for a fact completed cleric, warrior, ranger, bard, and maybe wizard epics pre-50/46 on live. Obviously this was out of era, but classic/Kunark quests weren't too sophisticated in their requirements. Basically they should just check a faction level.

Class, race, level, flags/keys were eventually checks added to quests in EQ but not until later on. The first quests I can think of that ate your items if you were too low level were the PoGrowth ones in Velious, which required level 55.

In the grand scheme of things this change isn't a big deal. Just means I'll have to PL my alts a bit before I want to solo a bunch on them. But I think this is a subtle attempt to reduce Epic MQ sales to reduce the RMTers claiming they were selling epic MQs etc. Which is a good thing in my books. I just hope they don't remove MQing because that is classic as classic gets and helps players complete epics. I don't know if we would've completed half the SK or Mage epics we had if we couldn't have looted pieces and MQ'd them to deserving mains afterwards.

[Haynar]

I used to PL 0-45 in 4 hrs. Not that big a deal.

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[Rararboker]

Since this was posted I've gone from 22 to 27. Only 19 more to go!

[maestrom]

I think most telling is, in my research, there isn't any indication of SOE ever removing any of the alleged restrictions of characters having epics pre 46.

I imagine if SOE had removed whatever mechanic people think existed that prevented a level 45 from completing an epic, there would have been a post to the effect of "LOL I CAN LEVEL 1 EPIC ROGUE NOW", which there isn't.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used to PL 0-45 in 4 hrs. Not that big a deal.

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Doing a SQL database sort and mod to flag all existing epics to grandfather them in, also is not that big of a deal.

The functionality to do something like this already exists, if not from one side, then from the other side ala Circlet of Shadows, Pre-nerf fungi staff, etc. so not sure why this would remain off the table?

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doing a SQL database sort and mod to flag all existing epics to grandfather them in, also is not that big of a deal.

The functionality to do something like this already exists, if not from one side, then from the other side ala Circlet of Shadows, Pre-nerf fungi staff, etc. so not sure why this would remain off the table?

So is doing an sql query of epics and when levels were achieved. Delete all epics attained before 46. And require min level of 46 to attain.

I can see epic with fungi, would make rapid solo exp. With no need to group.

Maybe they should require you to group in grouos of 3 or more to get exp? That would help force ppl to group more!

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[pasi]

Not classic, but good change.