Naggy - and conceding MoBs generally

[Pan]

Two things are going on in this thread:

1. Discussion of Naggy encounter proper.
2. Discussion of what it means to "concede".

Both viable topics, imo. But very different, too.

So my questions remain:

1. If you warp a mob and it wipes another guild (irrespective of where they are), do you man up and concede, or not? (In some cases, naggy chains past the drawbridge and even into FG prep.)

2. What does it mean to concede? Do you leave the zone and leave the MoB up? Or are you advocating any of another bundle of interpretations of the word (i.e. NOT conceding but calling it that anyway)?

[Pint]

If you concede a mob then you should leave until the mob is dead or uncontested. I dont think youre going to get everyone to agree on that though.

Wiping a raid due to bad mechanics is iffy, I wouldnt want to concede a mob if it was out of my control, but I know about the solb bug so that is within my control.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you concede a mob then you should leave until the mob is dead or uncontested. I dont think youre going to get everyone to agree on that though.

Wiping a raid due to bad mechanics is iffy, I wouldnt want to concede a mob if it was out of my control, but I know about the solb bug so that is within my control.

I can completely agree to this.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. If you warp a mob and it wipes another guild (irrespective of where they are), do you man up and concede, or not? (In some cases, naggy chains past the drawbridge and even into FG prep.)

Yes - as per the rules, if another guild asks you to concede you may do so. If however submitting fraps after the fact exonerates you of any wrong doing, then the guild that asked you to concede will have to concede that mob the next two times.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild will lose the loot, but they will also be forced to concede the next spawn of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next spawn of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension. (Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for the loot, as they wouldn’t have it)
Note on Conceding / Forfeiting – You should concede a mob whenever your actions negatively impact another guild’s attempt at a mob, regardless of which zone the mob or the infraction take place in. Also, as far as what to concede / forfeit, if you still have a shot at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit that mob, if you do not still have a chance at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit the next one (it’s silly to try and concede a mob after you no longer have a real chance to kill that mob.
Note on Crying Wolf – if you request that another guild concede a mob, you better be 100% certain that they made an error, because if you make another guild concede/forfeit a mob under false pretenses you will be punished harshly.
Note on Lockouts – if you concede a mob, or are suspended from a mob, those mobs will not be the mobs you are locked out from, they will be in addition to the mobs you are locked out from.
Note on Rule Lawyering – I think the spirit of everything we are trying to accomplish here is pretty clear, and anyone that tries to twist the words to support and/or justify nefarious actions that go against the spirit of the rules posted here will not be rewarded. There will be no “technically this could be that”, or “well it doesn’t exactly say this word for word”.

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Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. What does it mean to concede? Do you leave the zone and leave the MoB up? Or are you advocating any of another bundle of interpretations of the word (i.e. NOT conceding but calling it that anyway)?

You forfeit any further attempts on the mob until it is killed by any competing raid force. If you are jointly raiding with another guild, the allied guild also may not make any further attempts until killed by a non-allied raid force. You must also make your concession very clear.

It's always best to communicate it via /ooc or /shout, however sending a /tell to the contesting guilds raid leader/officer will suffice, just make sure your screen shot it in case they try any funny business. Intent by action is not enough to qualify for a concession/forfeiture. For example, you can't simply port/zone your entire raid force out and not say anything to the opposing guild and consider that a valid concession.