If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[zenoo]

You guys really do behave like hungry jack terriers on here. I was hardly trying to say the cosmological is definite proof that god exists, I was just showing the original poster that there are arguments out there for god that arn't based on blind faith or zealotry. I am not going to go into a back in forth debate playing cosmological argument defender here. There are arguments and counter-arguments on either side, and we hardly do the debate justice writing 1 paragraph in support or to attack.

Go back and reread the post where I introduce the cosmological argument and try to determine by the tone if I was showing an example of how the god debate can be done logically or if I was claiming to have discovered the winning hand in the debate. In fact I admit that it isn't airtight and that brilliant people on both sides accept and deny it.

It isn't my fault that people with knee jerk responses on here don't understand what is meant by a necessary being and I hardly feel the need to try to explain. As I said, it isn't airtight, but no you don't know how to absolutely refute it in 1 paragraph.

Because reading comprehension here is so poor: My original post is to the OP trying to show that he has to do a good job supporting atheism, actually debate philosophical notions of god, or give up and become agnostic; because currently he looks like something between a troll and an idiot.

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by zenoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My original post is to the OP trying to show that he has to do a good job supporting atheism, actually debate philosophical notions of god, or give up and become agnostic; because currently he looks like something between a troll and an idiot.

Going to say this in this thread now because, having looked it up, I have such a strong urge to correct everyone on their mistaken semantics.

Agnosticism is not a third choice instead of atheism or theism. Atheism and Theism are the only two choices as they span all possibilities. If you are "agnostic" you are still technically a theist or an atheist.

Atheism is not the belief that a god or god does not exist. Although it can be, that isn't necessarily the case.

So everyone go update your facebook pages now

[zenoo]

Ok Nalkin thanks for the semantics lesson. I guess there isn't a word in the dictionary called agnostic. People who are uncertain of their place in the universe will just have to flip a coin and take sides thanks to your enlightening post.

[zenoo]

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Uncertain does not fit with the term atheist.

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by zenoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok Nalkin thanks for the semantics lesson. I guess there isn't a word in the dictionary called agnostic. People who are uncertain of their place in the universe will just have to flip a coin and take sides thanks to your enlightening post.

Agnostic is a word, im just saying people are either atheist or theist; you can't be agnostic instead. You can be agnostic and be a theist, or you can be agnostic and be an atheist.

Again, atheism isn't the belief that god doesn't exist. It is the lack of belief in a god or gods. This is subtle (which is why so many people like you get it wrong) but there is a huge difference obv. You can lack a belief in gods (be an atheist) because you are agnostic ie, you can't know for sure whether god(s) exist.

Similarly, a theist can be agnostic by believing in a god but not knowing for sure whether god(s) exist.

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P.S. - go to a better school.

[Harrison]

The definition of the word disagrees with you.

Again, atheism isn't the belief that god doesn't exist. It is the lack of belief in a god or gods.

Definition:

a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

But hey, talk down to people that are right just to argue semantics...it's okay.

[Beauregard]

to illustrate the title of this thread i've constructed a basic chart of the grand debate.

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[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Beauregard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to illustrate the title of this thread i've constructed a basic chart of the grand debate.

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Best part of this is that psychology is misspelled. If you're going to be a condescending dick, at least catch up on junior high vocabulary.

There are a lot of very intelligent atheists. None of them have posted in this thread.

I find it interesting that nobody will address this point: many atheists claim they do not believe in God because there is no scientific evidence of any God's existence. At the same time, many atheists do believe in extraterrestrial life. My question is why? What's the difference? There is absolutely no scientific evidence of extraterrestrial life at this point in time. It's entirely theoretical. It's a belief. How can you condemn one, while subscribing to another? Do you take a scientific approach to these kind of questions, or not?

And as a side-note, the belief in God is far more logical and necessary than a belief in extraterrestrial life. As far as Man can comprehend the Universe, everything has a beginning. Everything was created, at some point or another. God is a logical extension of this. Something has to have been eternal. Whether it was a pair of atoms or a sentient Creator, it's so far beyond our grasp that it's ridiculous for any one person to act certain in one way or the other. When you talk about "all evidence" pointing against a God, you just sound ignorant. There is no evidence. On the other hand, it's very easy to imagine other planets devoid of life -- we've already found many of them. There's no evidence of life anywhere else, and there never has been. It's possible that there's life throughout the universe, but there's no scientific reason to believe there is. It'd be easy to imagine Earth as the only planet in the universe where life exists.

Now if you want to discuss religious doctrine, knock your socks off. There's plenty of evidence that points against many elements of many religions. But that's like poking holes in the movie Independence Day in order to disprove extraterrestrial life. Even if the Bible turns out to be a 2000 year old version of Beowulf, it doesn't mean you've disproven the existence of any God.

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But hey, talk down to people that are right just to argue semantics...it's okay.

Way to do the same thing jerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Stibe]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The definition of the word disagrees with you.



Definition:



But hey, talk down to people that are right just to argue semantics...it's okay.

Totally ignore the first half of the definition you gave.

You're a fucking retard, but thats ok.