ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

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Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think Thorne is like Ned at all. The show has altered his character some by incorporating some of Bowen Marsh character. I think Martin writes him as a bitter, mean-spirited asshole. Always took a dump on Jon. Would have had Sam killed or maimed if he had his way. Allied with Slynt. Being at the Wall was his punishment for being on the losing side and he embodies what is wrong with the NW. But, that's just my opinion. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hear you. The show takes the mean-spirited bitter asshole thing and somehow it came off as "mean-for-your-own-good willfully ignorant narrow minded old school asshole" for me personally.

Has Thorne ever done anything unbecoming of a knight or his vows at the wall? Forget the personality traits, the doubting and hen-pecking he has done to Jon Snow and his friends.

What I mean is, holahouze, is I can't recall a smoking gun scene (Jon Snow's death can be seen as controversial, there was a vote among the Watch on it wasn't there?) where Alliser Thorne does anything chaotic-evil in the vein of what you would expect from someone who deserves an extrajudicial cold revenge killing. Jon Snow did break his vows afterall, in some peoples opinion. By no means does this justify murder to me, but this is Martin's world.

Being an asshole, and seeing his duty and vows differently than Jon "Liberal Heart" Snow, just doesn't do it for me. They should have showed some real unbecoming of a knight example of what a conniving dirtbag he is, in my opinion.

The show made sure to get Stannis ready for a nice cold extrajudicial revenge execution by turning on his family, and Thorne wasn't really there for me yet, as he is still hiding behind his vows and acting in defense of the Watch. This is why I am excited to see how it plays out. A sticky situation to be sure!