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Torven · #**781** 12-08-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torven is just angry that the P2002 Devs use the term EQMacEmu instead of his name.

I'll repeat myself.

Your post claimed that EVERY patch note credited EQMacEmu, which is incorrect. See http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1094

Our dev comments were copied and pasted. No credit given.

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Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing is, it doesn't matter. People on P2002 don't know Torven, he is not a part of our community, he doesn't post there. It doesn't really make a difference to the people playing there if the patch notes have his name in it or not.

That's a ridiculous excuse to not use somebody's name to credit their work. "nobody knows who they are"? really? I'm sure that would fly in a court of law.

Edit: nice ninja edit there. google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Gimlish · #**782** 12-08-2015, 02:23 PM

It's really unfortunate and childish what has happened here. TAK came out first. People in A&H guild were butthurt and didn't like the rule set. So, out of spite - they decided to form another server (P2002), rip off other people's hard work, fracture the EQmac community and population into two servers, instead of one. This is not good in any way, imho.

I'm still pissed about this, it's really just too bad that it happened this way. I wish everyone could be happy in one community / on one server.

Imagine P99 is in it's infancy back in 2009/2010. And I'm sure there were many players who didn't like the ruleset here, or disagreed with the staff at the time (or still do). Were they able to go off and make another server with the same source code in their likeness and rip off the P99 dev's hard work? No. Did the P99 community get fractured from the start? No.

I'm sure if this had been allowed to happen, we all wouldn't have this huge wonderful community here on P99 to enjoy for the past 5 years. But instead, several little slightly different/redundant "classic" EQ servers, competing against each other for more players. And, no I certainly don't think that would have been a better outcome.

TAK is the true EQMac emulator in my opinion, it feels like it, it has the community and support behind it from a lot of the orginal Al'Kabor veterans. Yes, it would be great if we could bring together this splintered community into one server. I honestly have friends on both, and it sucks to have to chose one.

apio · #**783** 12-08-2015, 02:25 PM

the post your'e linking does say

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Code Changes: From PEQMAC

And once again, if you contacted wharhogg I am pretty sure you could get that replaced with all the Developer names on the project. They also include your names in the P2002 team post http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=148 at this point you are just grasping at straws

Sketched · #**784** 12-08-2015, 02:36 PM

It would be really cool to have a single login server and then choose which server you could play on. I don't think the servers should necessarily merge though.

I can understand Torven's frustration. The amount of time and energy he has put into making high quality data sets, data analysis, and coding their implementation has been mind blowing. He has truly helped preserve the accuracy of EQMac's mechanics and database. All for free, for whoever wants to use it. To see another project attempt to devalue and disrespect his work has to be painful.

As to TAKPs server rotations, that was only for Naggy and Vox during classic. So far in Kunark there has been no need for a rotation. The server staff have been much more hands off in terms of raid management, and continue towards a more hands off approach. They have really been good recently in having more open communications with the server population. They are learning best management practices for the server, just as other projects have learned and changed over time.

I really hope that people who have strife with each-other can make progress towards better relationships for the benefit of both projects.

Torven · #**785** 12-08-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the post your'e linking does say

And once again, if you contacted wharhogg I am pretty sure you could get that replaced with all the Developer names on the project. They also include your names in the P2002 team post http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=148 at this point you are just grasping at straws

You or one of you admins edited the post right after I made my post, so as to not show an 'edited' indicator, then sidestepped and attacked me for supposedly whining about using my name instead of eqmacemu.

Here is google cache proving Iance to be a liar. (as if you need more proof)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

apio · #**786** 12-08-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gimlish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really unfortunate and childish what has happened here. TAK came out first. People in A&H guild were butthurt and didn't like the rule set. So, out of spite - they decided to form another server (P2002), rip off other people's hard work, fracture the EQmac community and population into two servers, instead of one. This is not good in any way, imho.

I'm still pissed about this, it should never have been allowed to happen.

Imagine P99 is in it's infancy back in 2009/2010. And I'm sure there were many players who didn't like the ruleset here, or disagreed with the staff at the time (or still do). Were they able to go off and make another server with the same source code in their likeness and rip off the P99 dev's hard work? No. Did the P99 community get fractured from the start? No.

I'm sure if this had been allowed to happen, we all wouldn't have this huge wonderful community here on P99 to enjoy for the past 5 years. But instead, several little slightly different/redundant "classic" EQ servers, competing against each other for more players. And, no I certainly don't think that would have been a better outcome.

TAK is the true EQMac emulator in my opinion, it feels like it, it has the community and support behind it from a lot of the orginal Al'Kabor veterans. Yes, it would be great if we could bring together this splintered community into one server. I honestly have friends on both, and it sucks to have to chose one.

I disagree. I was there when the split happened. It was pretty clear at that time that TAK would only support a specific way of playing the game. If you weren't interested in a forced rotation, you were told to go make your own server with the open source code.

Thats what happened.

I would also like to point out that a large part of the people who made up ANH at that moment are still playing on TAK. The majority of people left EQEmu altogether and are now playing TLP.

P2002 started out with a core of like 10 to 15 players. There was almost no influx from TAK at that point of time. Like I said most people started playing on Ragefire and Lockjaw. TAK definitely has the higher number of former ANH players than P2002. The majority of our community is made up of former P99 players and it has been like that for a while

maskedmelon · #**787** 12-08-2015, 02:44 PM

Good to know there are 2 macemu. I had not realized this and was confused. I will not likely play either. If do though, I will roll TAKP because p2002 Apio dude seems douche-like.

Gaunja · #**788** 12-08-2015, 02:46 PM

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Good to know there are 2 macemu. I had not realized this and was confused. I will not likely play either. If do though, I will roll TAKP because p2002 Apio dude seems douche-like.

Pokesan · #**789** 12-08-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gimlish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really unfortunate and childish what has happened here. TAK came out first. People in A&H guild were butthurt and didn't like the rule set. So, out of spite - they decided to form another server (P2002), rip off other people's hard work, fracture the EQmac community and population into two servers, instead of one. This is not good in any way, imho.

I'm still pissed about this, it's really just too bad that it happened this way. I wish everyone could be happy in one community / on one server.

Imagine P99 is in it's infancy back in 2009/2010. And I'm sure there were many players who didn't like the ruleset here, or disagreed with the staff at the time (or still do). Were they able to go off and make another server with the same source code in their likeness and rip off the P99 dev's hard work? No. Did the P99 community get fractured from the start? No.

I'm sure if this had been allowed to happen, we all wouldn't have this huge wonderful community here on P99 to enjoy for the past 5 years. But instead, several little slightly different/redundant "classic" EQ servers, competing against each other for more players. And, no I certainly don't think that would have been a better outcome.

TAK is the true EQMac emulator in my opinion, it feels like it, it has the community and support behind it from a lot of the orginal Al'Kabor veterans. Yes, it would be great if we could bring together this splintered community into one server. I honestly have friends on both, and it sucks to have to chose one.

the above is what a correct opinion looks like. /agree!

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sOurDieSel · #**790** 12-08-2015, 02:48 PM

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No, the servers are identical outside of a few mechanics and content changes. There is no 'feeling'; EverQuest isn't a complicated game.

The differences are the administration's attitude towards other staff members.

How are the servers IDENTICAL if they have different mechanics/content? rofl

I like playing on both severs but they each have a different feel to them. Saying a server doesn't have a 'feeling' to it (aka atmosphere) is ridiculous. Anyone who has played on live vs p99 can tell you that is false.

I agree on the second part, mainly the differences are in the administration/staff.

A&H was practically kicked off the server and told to make their own if they didn't like it. They chose to make their own server and now everyone is crying about it.