Question regarding fair play policy

Weird0 · #1 01-31-2016, 11:41 PM

Hi there, still somewhat new to the server, however I recently had an incident with another player and wanted to run the scenario by so I can get a better understanding of the policy.

I am a 16th lvl necro, solo xping in Kurns, as the xp is tasty. I am noticing some skeletons on the 2nd floor are turning green, and I killed the mobs in the area I was in. Heading to the Fountain room and take note that a 24 necromancer is hunting. As I go up the stairs, I got a tell..."Hey man, respect the camp"

I was unsure what he was referring to considering most of the mobs in the area are level 18 at the highest (i think), which are most, if not all, green to him and will grant no xp. Also, I was under the idea that a "camp" needed some sort of drop, whether it be quest or piece of gear or something. He stated that he was there for bone chips, and that he was farming cash and that the fountain area, and all the rooms near the barracks were under his "camp"

The story goes on from here, but I want to know what the deal is so far. Is he in the right? I feel like since there was no specific camp, as no item of worth was dropping there, and he was farming bone chips, and not gaining xp...that its a little crazy to consider it a "camp"

Please let me know how this should be addressed.

Lunababy · #2 02-01-2016, 12:33 AM

go kill the infinite level 1 skeletons out in FoB and sell him loads of bone chips at "discount price", because he's obviously not too bright

Daywolf · #3 02-01-2016, 07:43 AM

Yeah, if there is an area with a static spawn, of such, and he is there clearing it (having been broken), or trying to (obviously he was managing it) then it was his camp. Doesn't count for multiple camps, but just the one, usually a small area/room whatever, sometimes defined on p99-wiki map notes.

Doesn't matter what level he was. If he wanted to give up the camp to an xp group moving in (I've done this plenty of times), well that is his choice, it's his camp for whatever reason he wants it for, even if that means not giving it up, his choice.

If he is holding multiple camps, then you can challenge claim to one of them, of his choosing. If he refuses to give you a camp, it can be settled with a GM. If he walks away from his camp, leaves the area, but the camp being broken, it's still his camp. I think even after a repop, it's still his, for a given time, though kinda rude imo to let it fully repop and then return to challenge another after moving in.

One good way to avoid any issues is to do a camp check in ooc "/ooc CC". Not a guideline as far as I know, sometimes camps miss CC's in all the mayhem, but a matter of a courtesy check, so you don't run 5-10m to a camp to find it camped already.

edit: Oh and that is a good point too. When you move to a new zone/dungeon etc, look at the wiki and try to figure out the various camps in the area (won't get all camp info there though). So when someone else comes in and does a CC, you can respond in kind. There are outdoor areas that are shared, such as around the Gypsy camp in NK, but other areas that are labeled as camps, such as FP or fireplace in Unrest. Hope that helps.

Daywolf · #4 02-01-2016, 08:39 AM

But to reiterate the point [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] yeah character level is no issue. I do it at times, myself, for a quest item drop, tradeskill components, or even just because I want to whack stuff with my dusty old ranger and get a few plats. You do or will too.

It's not only legal, but the mechanics are designed to allow it so. If you remember back to the old FV (RP) server on live, the mechanic there didn't allow for higher level characters to farm lower level mobs, they would get no loot drops over a certain range. I actually like that, but the way it is here is just the way it is/was. It's classic, Bro! As classic as Han never giving Greedo a shot. He even put his hand up and made a hand/finger symbol of a gun, signifying the draw was comin. Now, you wouldn't argue with Han, would ya? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
It's classic.

Hiragawa · #5 02-01-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But to reiterate the point [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] yeah character level is no issue. I do it at times, myself, for a quest item drop, tradeskill components, or even just because I want to whack stuff with my dusty old ranger and get a few plats. You do or will too.

It's not only legal, but the mechanics are designed to allow it so. If you remember back to the old FV (RP) server on live, the mechanic there didn't allow for higher level characters to farm lower level mobs, they would get no loot drops over a certain range. I actually like that, but the way it is here is just the way it is/was. It's classic, Bro! As classic as Han never giving Greedo a shot. He even put his hand up and made a hand/finger symbol of a gun, signifying the draw was comin. Now, you wouldn't argue with Han, would ya? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
It's classic.

Ah yes, good old Trivial Loot Code. Nothing like going "Hey -random guild member about to afk for the night- can I make a tiny raid with you so I can bypass TLC?"

Trivial Loot Code - Doing nothing but annoying solo farmers into raids. Ahh...

Weird0 · #6 02-01-2016, 02:42 PM

OK, so the policy states that he is free to do so.

Then by that policy, I am free to head to the newbie hunting ground and declare that area camped if I am first to be there, and can maintain the camp. I realize there is slight difference in the "area" of the camp, because its somewhat abstract in an outdoor zone but the situation is fairly the same. I wont get any xp from being there and stuff will drop that I can sell and make money with. Granted there is probably a better way of accomplishing this, but that's not the point of the discussion.

While the policy states that I am free to do this, I think some idea of "gamer ethics" should come into play. And no, I don't think gamer ethics is an oxymoron

I fully understand that the policy is there for the limited support staff to quickly adjudicate conflicts, but the ease at which someone can stake their claim on pretty much anything is troubling, especially when it hinders other players ability to play the game (in this case leveling).

Appears that I wont get any vindication for my point of view but at the very least now I have an idea of what to expect, thanks.

Dreenk317 · #7 02-01-2016, 03:03 PM

People on this server are crazy about there camp rules. On both sides. I've had people tell me that they didn't KS my mob, because snare isnt a legitimate agro spell..... Yet it still makes the mob hate and chase me..... I've also been accused of "stalling" on a thorny succulent in OT..... Yes, I stalled a cactus with my bard in OT, /petition that shit, last time I checked raid rules totally applied to non raid mobs. But yes, while it is ok for one player to hold multiple camps, the rules do state, that if someone wants one of there camps, they MUST give up one of there choice. Also, a lot of people will tell you they are friends with the GM's and start quoting the rules at you. Just ignore them, and go read the rules for yourself. The easiest way to avoid conflict is to know the rules from the start.

Daywolf · #8 02-01-2016, 09:31 PM

Nope, already addressed that, in that there are camps and that there are shared areas e.g. gypsy NK. I think you recognize the difference, as using the example of the newbie area as an absurd example in your argument. I hope you didn't argue with the guy for a while, happens too often.

chipz · #9 02-02-2016, 01:19 AM

Only the mobs in the barracks room were his. Feel free to kill all the mobs outside that one room.

McDurp · #10 02-04-2016, 09:37 PM

Ok so to clear things up.

I had a group earlier today that was camping the Orc spawn point in Highpass Hold for XP and idol. A random DE Necro with their pet on aggro(Whom I wont name as I am not certain he/she was trying to KS the named mobs) was parked on the ledge with pet so it would aggro whatever mob spawns.

We had been at that camp for well over 4 hours. The individual mentioned that the rules stated something about XP camp over Named camp since the idol is farmed for raids a lot.

This is complete and utter cow pie right?

Also...Great to be back!