Forsaken is a bait and switch guild, warning to all players

[Savok]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems like a lot of guilds do this. I joined Azure Guard and earned a lot of DKP and was saving it up for some good items. In their bid system you can only make a max DKP bid of 200 or so and by golly gosh darn it every time i max bid the the loot council awarded the items to officers. How convenient.

It's actually 250 and if there is a tie it goes by total DKP to spend. Most Officers are the core of the guild and go to a lot of raids, therefore have more DKP to spend.

(This comes from a member who turns up to raids as and when his schedule will allow and not by the former members already spoken of above)

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha, yeah.. thats the crux of the issue. See I joined when there wasn't going to be a real loot council. They baited and switched the membership telling everyone there would be no loot council and now its very much a part of policy.

Ignition, you applied on 6/19/2015, and were made full member 11/19/2015. We also gave special consideration for your wife, who did not have the attendance to actually go up for vote as per our rules, because we wanted to make an exception for her so the two of you did not have to play the game under separate guilds.

Our policy page is transparent. Every change on it is dated explicitly. Our loot council change was implemented on 10/21/2015, and was clearly outlined in both our primary policy page, and in a full guild meeting.

This is also irregardless. You did not hold the required raid attendance to bid on loot. According to my database, you held 22% attendance at the point of your making full member (again, an exception we made for you, as our requirement is in fact, 25%).

I still do not understand all this animosity. You're upset because you were removed from the guild. You really should let it go.

[mjbcb0717]

Here's what you do man...this will inflict some damage on them and really piss em off along the way

I call this the LEROYYYYY JENKINS effect

So here's what you do bro..make a class with a pet ok now work on leveling up this toon (while you listen to eye of the tiger) this will fuel your rage as it plays. Now lvl up that room to 60 ! Fast as hell you know NOW get in cohorts with whoresaken make friends with them just tolerate it for a few weeks or whenever you raid...Here's were the plan comes into action RIGHT as they are pulling make sure you have another mob targeted good distance away so it will pull adds...

You send that some beetch pet to attack said mob it will Train The raid they will have no idea what happen they will just be scratching their vaginal pubes wondering were these adds comith from just continue to do this every raid destroy the moral and they will feel like they suck even worse then before and quit.

best of luck I would make a necro so you can fd and watch em get butt pumped

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The policy being written down has no bearing on the deceptive nature of awarding worthless DKP to less hardcore players.

Imagine being paid in company scrip you cannot buy anything with.

OK I understand what you're getting at here. You're under the assumption that DKP is awarded to "lower tier" members, while the "upper tier" members get loot council.

Let me clear the air.

Our system is a very simple hybrid system. We all accrue DKP for every raid attended, every SoulFire quest completed, and every hour of tracking completed. Virtually all items are DKP bid items. So long as you are a full member main and have at least 25% raid attendance, either 30-day or collectively, you are welcome to bid any DKP amount. It is a silent bid, and the highest bidder wins the item, unquestionably.

Loot council is reserved for a small number of items, all of which are listed on an easy to locate spreadsheet posted for all members and applicants to view.

This list includes loot from Vulak, Tunare, and AoW, epic drops, the heads from Tormax, Dain, and Yelinak, and a few odds and ends items off of mobs like the new, updated Cazic Thule.

In total, the vast majority of items are bid items, and not loot council. Every single other item is a DKP bid item.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please direct your attention to the first post that I made in reply to this thread here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...=1#post2185028

Sir, with all due respect, your raid attendance was too low to bid, as per a policy set since the creation of Forsaken. I do not know what more I can say on the issue. Attempts at slander without proof is foolish. We care a great deal about the membership of our guild. If anybody has a question pertaining to Forsaken, just ask us!

False. I had 40% raid attendance before I stopped playing so much. I also posted in our AFK thread per policy.

Its cute though thats how you guys are going to try to frame this. "Well see, you left at 40% attendance and followed AFK thread policy but... since you left you had no attendance to bid and thats why you couldn't bid."

No, I left first due to not being able to bid, it wasn't weeks later when I came back to discuss why I was upset that this claim is being made I had no attendance to bid. I wasn't trying to bid then.

Also, this wasn't really about the DKP only. My post that I was kicked out of the guild for was about guild leadership not doing their jobs, harassment of members, and similar things.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think Valura was saying you don't keep records but rather that you spam invite so many people that you don't remember who's been in your guild.

How one recruiter goes about with his own personal record keeping is not representative of the entire guild. Contrary to this systematic view, Forsaken has high standards. Of our current applicant base for example, less than 10% of them currently hold our raid requirements standards.

Recruitment practices have changed, and prior practices were meant to increase a pool with which we could best scrutinize those most interested (and able) to be a part of a high-level raiding guild.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. I had 40% raid attendance before I stopped playing so much. I also posted in our AFK thread per policy.

Its cute though thats how you guys are going to try to frame this. "Well see, you left at 40% attendance and followed AFK thread policy but... since you left you had no attendance to bid and thats why you couldn't bid."

No, I left first due to not being able to bid, it wasn't weeks later when I came back to discuss why I was upset that this claim is being made I had no attendance to bid. I wasn't trying to bid then.

Also, this wasn't really about the DKP only. My post that I was kicked out of the guild for was about guild leadership not doing their jobs, harassment of members, and similar things.

If you have evidence to show even a single case of which you wanted to go in on an item and had the attendance and were not allowed, I will be more than happy to review it. There is no such case, because that is, and has never been, our policy.

[Tann]

to Forsaken members:

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take the beads now thanks!

[disenchant]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... you are welcome to bid any DKP amount. It is a silent bid, and the highest bidder wins the item, unquestionably.

Just curious why this method, seems like an odd way to auction via DKP. As far back as I can remember the designated officer starts off with a low value in guild chat and members then bid accordingly.

[Raev]

OH YEAH? WELL I HAD SEX WITH YOUR WIFE