Forsaken is a bait and switch guild, warning to all players

[Danth]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would make sense if it was just 1 raid a day every day. but raid attendance is 1 for every target killed or attempted. in that 8 month period for example there were over 100 raids a month

I don't mean he raided a lot relative to his guild; I mean he raided a lot in an absolute sense. Doing stuff every other day is a lot. Running multiple events every day represents a completely different level of determination. I agree with you, actually, in that the original poster (as a fairly casual player with modest game hours) really had no place joining a high-end guild at all. I've been around long enough to know that. Perhaps he didn't fully realize what he was getting himself in to--a hypothesis supported by the very existence of his anger. He calls it bait-and-switch, which is a common accusation made when people don't realize what they got themselves in to. At his activity level, he'd fit in a lot better in a low- or middle-tier guild.


Danth

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He calls it bait-and-switch, which is a common accusation made when people don't realize what they got themselves in to. At his activity level, he'd fit in a lot better in a low- or middle-tier guild

What you're missing is what I was told when I joined. AFK is fine, no attendance limits, loot council is minor, etc. All of this changed afterwards and anyone in Forsaken will tell you how pissed off people were about it. They were so upset Detoxx made a thread for them to talk about it and then locked it without answering it one, simply saying "discussion over, changes are permanent."

I never applied to Forsaken of my own decision, I was recruited and asked to apply. I knew they were assholes and I knew this is how it would end but I also didn't want Rampage to have a monopoly on the high end of the server.

I've always moved between high end guilds here staying with the underdogs because otherwise you end up with a huge pile of shit like Kunark and TMO where one guild controls everything and everyone is scared to upset them because they might not be allowed to raid anymore. I've never been scared to call TMO or Forsaken members assholes to their face even when I was a member of either of those guilds.

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[Danth]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you're missing is what I was told when I joined.

I didn't miss that. Their recruiters have told me the same thing. I assume someone knows the difference between a sales pitch versus reality. The top guilds always claim they don't mind casual players. The lower-end guilds typically claim they'll see the top eventually. Neither claim is ever particularly true. You've been here for some 6 years; you of all people should know that. Perhaps that's why you're so angry right now--maybe you genuinely believed Forsaken was different. I can imagine myself there and if that's the case then I'd feel betrayed, too. However, I don't fall into that mode of thought. I consider one high-end guild basically the same as the next. The names change; the modes of operation remain the same. Perhaps I'm more cynical than you, or perhaps I'm simply pragmatic....or maybe some of both.

Either way, there's not much you can do short of moving on. If you want, be angry at the system which produces the guild scene here, but neither of us can change it. Best you can do is try to find a guild that's compatible with how you play the game and enjoy the parts of P1999 that're worth enjoying.

On a related note, in over twenty years of online gaming I've never seen a large clan/squad/guild that isn't full of people who're angry about something or other. when things seemed quiet, at first, typically just meant I was out of the loop. Drama and cliques seem to come with the territory.

Danth

[Dirtynads]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've already been informed Dial a Port is actually run by a Forsaken member. I have no proof of this but that is what someone claimed to have proof of and was asking me to buy it from them.

Sorry crazy man I am not in Forsaken or any other raiding guild for that matter...Have yourself a great day.

[nyclin]

I have proof that Swish is actually Detoxx and he simply retired from the forums so that he could work from within the game to provide us with entertaining RnF threads.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its the entire reason you are bitching, just go read your post. you're a loot whore who was upset he wasn't allowed to bid on anything after a 2 month ghost. You don't care that someone you don't know got harassed by another member, you're just using that to deflect from your real issue. That you weren't allowed to spend your 300dkp with 0%raid attendance

You guys should decide if you're a DKP guild or not. If DKP gets spent, unlike tmo, the highest bidder should win. Active players have more DKP and replenish it faster. Adding an attendance requirement minimum makes your DKP worthless to casual players. Not that this is suprising with your leadership. Why I'm still in TMO.

PS. Please stop trying to recruit me.

[disenchant]

Well if they're raiding 3 times per day and require attendance of 25% then that's insane, fun to raid but wow you spend all day and night playing eq, do you even work? 100 raids in 30 days, raids average 3 to 5+ hours. So that could average easily over 90 to 150 hours in a month... Thank god mommy and daddy support an eq raid leader huh

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Crevex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

90 raids and not a single item? Brutal.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Per this thread, apparently some folks think a person who shows up to almost a hundred guild events warrants nothing for his efforts. ~90 guild events in ~6 months is roughly one every other day. That's a lot.