Aridale <Venerate> Is AWFUL

[hookthem]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you arent there to enforce the list then there is no list. Sorry but is he suppose to magically know there is someone camping AC and a waiting list when he gets there and kills for 15+ mins before anyone comes to camp?

Yes, I have video of him sitting in front of me when i tell him there is a list. The whole deal is that I talked to him and told him there was a waitlist and that I was claiming the camp!

I have specific evidence that says I am camping the spawn and outlined everyone that was waiting in line. He told me that he didn't care and that I should /petition it.

[Hailto]

I feel for you, but honestly if you died and left the camp open, and no one else on the list was there to claim it, he did nothing wrong. Someone is not obligated to let you reclaim a camp if you die, although it may be common courtesy.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by hookthem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I have video of him sitting in front of me when i tell him there is a list. The whole deal is that I talked to him and told him there was a waitlist and that I was claiming the camp!

I have specific evidence that says I am camping the spawn and outlined everyone that was waiting in line. He told me that he didn't care and that I should /petition it.

Yeah did you tell him that after you were gone for 15 mins? If so then its not your camp anymore and it doesnt matter what you told him. If he got there and you were there already then thats one thing.

[Nitsude]

Originally Posted by hookthem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I have video of him sitting in front of me when i tell him there is a list. The whole deal is that I talked to him and told him there was a waitlist and that I was claiming the camp!

I have specific evidence that says I am camping the spawn and outlined everyone that was waiting in line. He told me that he didn't care and that I should /petition it.

From my understanding of what happened, you lost the camp from dying. No one on the list was there to take your spot, leaving the camp open for someone else to claim. It sucks to lose the camp, but trashing another guild because of your mistake is pretty lame.

Also: Join Date: Aug 2014 -- you should know better.

[Teako]

Lists are completely player made, can be fabricated, faked, and are generally unreliable.. GMs will not enforce a "list" in such a manner.

Additionally, you abandoned the camp the instant you were not at it for any reason. (Gate, Corpse, Died, Selling, Helping someone at seafuries) - If you are not maintaining a presence at the camp the entire time of the camp it is not yours.

It also appears that they caught placeholders up - which means you failed to kill an outdoor roaming monster immediately on spawning - which means you weren't camping it as well.

In order to camp an outdoor roaming monster you must be standing on it's spawn and able to engage immediately on spawn with represented force. Meaning, the necessary players to kill the targetted monster must be present at the spawn the entire time you claim to be camping it.

The guy who took the camp from you was 100% in the right to do so. Wait lists are complete bullshit and generally just a player courtesy.. They are in no way size shape or form mandatory or "law" - The only thing that matters is the person sitting on the spawn to kill it the instant it appears... Which was not you, nor was it anyone on your made up list.

Sorry buddy, sucks that you lost the camp, but the person who took it was absolutely right to do so, and you posting on the forums crying about it will only hurt your case publicly.. So far as GM interaction goes, GMs aren't going to punish a guy who showed up to an empty camp with PH up and started killing it. You cannot claim something you are not at, or cannot kill with what you have at it. At that point, the first person(s) to engage the PH and kill it have the camp.


Tl;dr - Not your camp Necro. When you died, it went FFA until Aridale claimed it by killing the PH.

[Phenyo]

Haha lists, thats a good one OP

[khandman]

If your afk at a camp and not able to clear the spawns, you can loose the camp. Looks like that's what has happened here.

[Tycoon]

The people on the list have YOU to blame for losing the camp.

You lost the camp. Do better next time. If you need to afk so long, call the next on the list.

[Skinned]

Whoever is there first and killing ph has camp. If another person is waiting there in person they get it next as soon as the AC is dead. It is pretty basic. If the next person on the list isn't there then it is too bad for them because they only have a verbal agreement with the previous owner that has no bearing on other players. If the next person on the list shows up because he is bound at the spot and the AC get a dropped with him there then some lawyering can happen I guess. Other than that kindergarten stuff.

People making a verbal agreement with party B and expecting uninvolved party C to honor it despite putting in the time to be next....seems like an over-inflated sense of entitlement.

[Crashking]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lists are completely player made, can be fabricated, faked, and are generally unreliable.. GMs will not enforce a "list" in such a manner.

Additionally, you abandoned the camp the instant you were not at it for any reason. (Gate, Corpse, Died, Selling, Helping someone at seafuries) - If you are not maintaining a presence at the camp the entire time of the camp it is not yours.

It also appears that they caught placeholders up - which means you failed to kill an outdoor roaming monster immediately on spawning - which means you weren't camping it as well.

In order to camp an outdoor roaming monster you must be standing on it's spawn and able to engage immediately on spawn with represented force. Meaning, the necessary players to kill the targetted monster must be present at the spawn the entire time you claim to be camping it.

The guy who took the camp from you was 100% in the right to do so. Wait lists are complete bullshit and generally just a player courtesy.. They are in no way size shape or form mandatory or "law" - The only thing that matters is the person sitting on the spawn to kill it the instant it appears... Which was not you, nor was it anyone on your made up list.

Sorry buddy, sucks that you lost the camp, but the person who took it was absolutely right to do so, and you posting on the forums crying about it will only hurt your case publicly.. So far as GM interaction goes, GMs aren't going to punish a guy who showed up to an empty camp with PH up and started killing it. You cannot claim something you are not at, or cannot kill with what you have at it. At that point, the first person(s) to engage the PH and kill it have the camp.


Tl;dr - Not your camp Necro. When you died, it went FFA until Aridale claimed it by killing the PH.

Your a bit mistaken in your post - you can leave an area and still have rights to the camp - it has been done in places. I know a zone where it is common to run to a merchant. The key here is getting back to kill the next set of mobs. The real lesson here though is server rules don't really support solo play.

In regards to the original post, sounds like you died and as such without someone there to hold the camp -- Its OPEN for grabs, as stated before waitlist doesn't hold water. Interesting to see that Secondtonone is still farming AC. When I was there to get my AC ring - he had a pile of bodies lying underwater with rings stashed away on them from what I heard and then saw since he had killed AC before I got a turn.