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[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any deity, be it Allah or Ywh or Jesus or whatever, who levies judgement based on faith is most certainly not merciful, rather he is cruel :/

Though it should not, faith stands as the greatest impasse to reason and as a tool of oppression, it is for good reason that fabricators of early religions wove their tapestries from such wretched thread.

I'm a Muslim because of reasoning, and the grace of God. All praise and thanks is to Him.

If my worldview was based on blind faith, like the belief that everything exists by nothing but chance and we cease to exist when we die, then i'd still be an Atheist.

So we're not punished simply for "not believing". Its because of what rejecting God promotes, among many other reasons like arrogance, being ungrateful for all the good things He gave us, spreading lies about God, believing we won't be accountable which leads to crime, failing to take it seriously and investigate after clear warnings, etc.

And if God were cruel then everything on earth would be hell and we'd have nothing good like the fruit, sunshine, water, potential for happiness, joy, etc.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a Muslim because of reasoning, and the grace of God. All praise and thanks is to Him.

If my worldview was based on blind faith, like the belief that everything exists by nothing but chance and we cease to exist when we die, then i'd still be an Atheist.

So we're not punished simply for "not believing". Its because of what rejecting God promotes, among many other reasons like arrogance, being ungrateful for all the good things He gave us, spreading lies about God, believing we won't be accountable which leads to crime, failing to take it seriously and investigate after clear warnings, etc.

And if God were cruel then everything on earth would be hell and we'd have nothing good like the fruit, sunshine, water, potential for happiness, joy, etc.

I would be interested in knowing how reason lead you Islam. By affirming belief in any deity, you have only once-removed yourself from the ultimate question of why and how? If it is absurd to believe that the universe, the entirety of existence is without origin, why is it any less absurd to believe in a creator with no origin? While the latter may be more comforting, the former is most certainly more miraculous.

Also, tell me this, from you point of view, if someone were to live as a Muslim strictly adhering to the prohibitions of Allah, but did not pray and did not accept Allah and his prophet Muhammad, how would he be judged?

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would be interested in knowing how reason lead you Islam. By affirming belief in any deity, you have only once-removed yourself from the ultimate question of why and how? If it is absurd to believe that the universe, the entirety of existence is without origin, why is it any less absurd to believe in a creator with no origin? While the latter may be more comforting, the former is most certainly more miraculous.

Also, tell me this, from you point of view, if someone were to live as a Muslim strictly adhering to the prohibitions of Allah, but did not pray and did not accept Allah and his prophet Muhammad, how would he be judged?

Accepting deliberate design doesn't nullify the search for why or how; it inspires it. And its ironic because the belief that our universe was made by mindless chaos nullifies why and how since chaos can't create with reason and it has no other method except indefinite, unchanging, illogical and non-progressive randomness.

"Why did chaos create the universe?" - No reason because it can't reason
"How did chaos create the universe?" - Randomly with the help of magic.

There's too many reasons to list for why i'm a Muslim, unless you're wondering something specific like why I submit to God, which is the most important teaching.

Nobody knows God's ultimate judgement, but that person would almost certainly go to hell because no deeds in this world, including partially following the Qur'an while ignoring the most important part (Submission to God, doing good, and believing in His Prophets), can make up for rejecting God for many reasons like the ones previously listed.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's too many reasons to list for why i'm a Muslim

Were your parents Muslim? I feel like this is the only answer we need to know whether you're full of shit.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were your parents Muslim? I feel like this is the only answer we need to know whether you're full of shit.

Nah. Dad is agnostic / atheist / non religious. Mom believes in God but doesn't follow a religion. They let me choose. I grew up rejecting all religion because of the brainwashing stigma and how fake "church goers" were. Among other reasons, but I doubt you want my life story.

[AzzarTheGod]

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[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im in the kitchen n its gonna take a dump on this thread

scream on em

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah. Dad is agnostic / atheist / non religious. Mom believes in God but doesn't follow a religion. They let me choose. I grew up rejecting all religion because of the brainwashing stigma and how fake "church goers" were. Among other reasons, but I doubt you want my life story.

So basically you grew up as a leftist by your dad's guidance. But at some point you realized your love affair with the ideology of Islam much as the left has been delusionally promoting now for quite some time, and so got indoctrinated over a liberal website etc (this happening more often now). You still know nothing about other "religions" apart from what you learned from the secular atheistic school that long ago abandoned education for indoctrination of the left. It's not a stretch at all, it's becoming far more common.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So basically you grew up as a leftist by your dad's guidance. But at some point you realized your love affair with the ideology of Islam much as the left has been delusionally promoting now for quite some time, and so got indoctrinated over a liberal website etc (this happening more often now). You still know nothing about other "religions" apart from what you learned from the secular atheistic school that long ago abandoned education for indoctrination of the left. It's not a stretch at all, it's becoming far more common.

Actually it was after reading the Quran: A Reformist Translation. And there was no secular school, I went to a normal high school. But you're replies are filled with pettiness, assumptions, and immaturity, not to mention you're stupid. So I don't have much more reason to reply to you after this.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Accepting deliberate design doesn't nullify the search for why or how; it inspires it. And its ironic because the belief that our universe was made by mindless chaos nullifies why and how since chaos can't create with reason and it has no other method except indefinite, unchanging, illogical and non-progressive randomness.

"Why did chaos create the universe?" - No reason because it can't reason
"How did chaos create the universe?" - Randomly with the help of magic.

There's too many reasons to list for why i'm a Muslim, unless you're wondering something specific like why I submit to God, which is the most important teaching.

Nobody knows God's ultimate judgement, but that person would almost certainly go to hell because no deeds in this world, including partially following the Qur'an while ignoring the most important part (Submission to God, doing good, and believing in His Prophets), can make up for rejecting God for many reasons like the ones previously listed.

Faith does not lay upon the path of Reason, though one may take one of the many paths departing reason to arrive at that destination.

Why do you insist the alternative to the embrace of an abrahamic (or other) religion can only be the affirmed belief in a chaotic origin to the universe? There are countless possibilities, we just have no way of knowing and I am disinclined to cede my intellectual sovereignty to fanciful claims wrought of the ruinous ambitions of dead men.