Solo Classes... Chanter without Charm? - Page 4

Extunarian · #31 03-07-2011, 03:19 PM

Even though this thread is old as hell, I'll pipe in.

at 212 charisma I was charming whenever I was in a group with a healer who was ok with it from level 12 onward. Soloing I used charm when troll regen was like free chloroplast. Now that troll regen is what it should be, you simply cant charm at lower levels or you'll spend all of your time regening HP. It comes back slow.

However what Chicanery said was right: at higher levels something happens independent from your CHA stat to help charm last. Once my chanter dinged 37 my charms started lasting so long I was regularly going afk for a minute or two without worry (had a ranger with me to grab agro and kite it around if it did break while I was away, but didn't need to).

Long story short: use your animations while soloing until you get to 36+. Always have 200 cha if you're going to try charming.

Malrubius · #32 03-07-2011, 04:14 PM

I hate to say it, but it will clear up some of the above information...

Enchanter charm on P1999 is not remotely like Enchanter charm in classic EQ. It is (I think) a well-known difference, and just one that we have to live with. Think of them as two different things.

On P1999...
At lower levels, charm duration is a few ticks if you are lucky.
At higher levels, charm duration is usually close to max.
CHA has an overweighted impact at higher levels.

In classic...
Charm at all levels was viable, but also challenging with early breaks always possible.
CHA did have an effect, but it was slight (as in 100cha giving about 10% longer charms on average, according to one log linked elsewhere on these boards).

Sorrow*qc · #33 03-07-2011, 05:37 PM

i was able to solo from 1 to 35 , sometime i get a group when im lazy, i only started to use charm since i got the Beguile spell, b4 you get beguile , just use your pet and stun/root

i can duo with about any other class and do great xp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] thats what i love about enchanters

cornbread · #34 03-07-2011, 09:16 PM

How much CHA can I expect to pick up with gear? I just started P1999 the other day and was apparently mistakenly under the impression that this was close to classic, so I left my CHA at 70.

Am I screwed at high level or is this recoverable?

Messianic · #35 03-07-2011, 09:23 PM

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I just started P1999 the other day and was apparently mistakenly under the impression that this was close to classic

About 90% of it is [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Malrubius · #36 03-07-2011, 11:21 PM

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I just started P1999 the other day and was apparently mistakenly under the impression that this was close to classic

It is. It is incredible and by far as close to classic as you will find. It's just that Charm isn't like classic :/

Lazortag · #37 03-07-2011, 11:50 PM

You can use charm to solo from the moment you get it if you have enough Cha. The exp is stupidly quick if you can get someone to give you clarity (though from 29 onward you can do it yourself) and if you invis yourself to break charm whenever your pets go to lowish HP (like, low enough to be killed with a DD). I never found it that risky and I mostly did it in the middle of Uguk.

cornbread · #38 03-08-2011, 08:41 AM

Lazortag, what do you think is enough CHA to do it effectively?

guineapig · #39 03-08-2011, 08:47 AM

It's been stated in this thread a few times. 200 is the magic number if you are an enchanter. If you're a bard, don't worry about hitting 200 charisma because your charm only lasts a few tics at a time anyway.

Striiker · #40 03-08-2011, 09:52 AM

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200+ charisma is not enough on this server. Basically wait till level 39 when you get Cajoiling Whispers and you will start to see a world of difference in charm durations.

I agree with the above statement that a smart enchanter can solo quite well with their animation. People get way to hung up on DPS and ignore the virtue of stability sometimes.

I fully agree with this. Once I learned of the limitations with charm at lower levels, I moved to rely upon my animation. This was a great way to rip through stuff. I used this in Befallen and in SolA (I primarily grouped in Upper Guk in between). The usual approach for me..
1) Buff up self and animation
2) Lull extras in the area
3) Pull with tash (or sometimes slow if a hard hitter)
4) root as mob arrives (and starts beating me)
5) slow mob
6) DOT mob
7) med while animation is fighting
8) cast a DD spell if needed or step in to take some hits
9) Use whirl when needed. (Especially with casters where I color stun and then whirl when I see a casting message)
10) Meditate / heal up and repeat..

This can be slower than how charming was on the old live servers but it's really not bad at all. We at least have options where others do not. Eventually I am sure the devs will get around to fixing charm for lower levels but I understand why it's not the priority right now.