So now that druid spells got hammered...

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Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In their defense, a lot of the devs in that thread aren't as active as they used to be (at least they don't seem to be). Additionally, (as you can see from the thread) they weren't clear on when it should be nerfed in the timeline and what the most appropriate fix would be. Nerfing druids was easy so that's probably why it was done sooner - it just meant changing some values, like "spell x has to have duration y instead of duration z". I'm glad you at least did the mature thing and bumped the thread. The only really productive thing you can do to get whirl changed, is to keep providing evidence and keep posting in that thread.

Basically, if something isn't changed for a while there's no reason it should spill into server chat or turn into some big protest. The devs don't have any sinister reason for keeping certain classes overpowered or for preferencing any class over another. There's almost always a reasonable explanation for why class X got nerfed and class Y didn't. Just try to understand this from their perspective.

I basically agree with what yaaaflow says at the end of his post. I don't think they should change things based on hunches and anecdotal evidence.

You summary of that thread misses the entire point. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] In that thread there is a rather crystal clear progression from people complaining about the bug to posting evidence and getting verification it needed to be nerfed AND would be nerfed. It goes something like this:

+ Someone complains Whirl is overpowered based on recollection alone.
+ Xzerion states that as both a developer and an enchanter he thinks it is overpowered and should be nerfed.
+ Some others also complain that it should be nerfed with basically no evidence.
+ Xzerion states that they will not be nerfing it until evidence is provided and talks about the gold standard of getting proof before making changes.
+ Some posts later half a dozen references are provided as "evidence" including links.
+ Shortly thereafter Xzerion essentially posts "It will be nerfed. We are working on it. We will keep you posted."
+ Two enchanters complain it shouldn't be nerfed until Kunark but post no evidence.
+ This all happened back in 2009.

Now there are some conflicting reports BUT it does not change the conclusion reached back in 2009 that Whirl was too OP and needed to be nerfed. See Xzerion state "but expect it to be similar to what has been reported thus far."

The entire point is that the developers had enough information to conclude it needed to be nerfed and for Xzerion to state that they were working on it but ... they never nerfed it.

But whatever. How about this. I will acknowledge that this shouldn't have spilled over into Server Chat IFF you acknowledge that their doing nothing for so long after stating that something needed be done, and in fact would be done, was the reason it did!

Hell this isn't even the first thread ranting about this that was started in Server Chat. A number of non-enchanters really aren't happy about this at all.