New sneak mechanics = trainfest?

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far these changes are amazing. NToV crawls may be back! The loot pinata seems to be gone and the raid scene will change for the better.

It took 10 minutes to get zone line pulls working in Kael with the new mechanic.

It will be worked out for ToV as well.

What it might well do is make it significantly harder for casual raiders to be able to use this mechanic (especially as any new arrivals will be unable to place their toons at the bind points where the top tier guilds already have mules) and as the harder core guilds will have already pulled all the mobs to the zone lines/entrances to kill, there won't be any crawls.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It took 10 minutes to get zone line pulls working in Kael with the new mechanic.

It will be worked out for ToV as well.

What it might well do is make it significantly harder for casual raiders to be able to use this mechanic (especially as any new arrivals will be unable to place their toons at the bind points where the top tier guilds already have mules) and as the harder core guilds will have already pulled all the mobs to the zone lines/entrances to kill, there won't be any crawls.

That's the problem, raiders here find the easiest way to exploit a system in the game to make raiding and killing mobs an insignificant part of the process to get drops.

They should either shorten the leash so the mobs cannot be trained to the zone lines, or simply make it an illegal tactic and ban those who use them.

Raiding mobs should be an epic type of event, not a routine of pulling mobs to a spot for an easy kill.

Seriously, these tactics are pathetic and sad. I understand when in Rome do as the Romans do, and this has forced anyone that wants to raid to use the same tactics.

It's just sad that the server devs who work for free are now forced to make changes that combat lazy and exploitive gameplay by players.

Players who feel so entitled to the drops they have even found ways to exploit the pulling system one day after it had been altered to ensure they still can get their easy pixels and no one else can.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It took 10 minutes to get zone line pulls working in Kael with the new mechanic.

It will be worked out for ToV as well.

What it might well do is make it significantly harder for casual raiders to be able to use this mechanic (especially as any new arrivals will be unable to place their toons at the bind points where the top tier guilds already have mules) and as the harder core guilds will have already pulled all the mobs to the zone lines/entrances to kill, there won't be any crawls.

Given the history of this server id say this is a decent forecast.
Whatever mechanical changes are made to p99 , never be surprised at the lengths (ingenuity?) people will go to for efficient pixel:effort ratio.
I doubt crawls are coming back until mobs are rooted in place and bind points removed.
Without both those things at once there will be new strategies perfected to avoid all day crawls through trash.
If im wrong let me know how much fun youre having by your 10th 5 hour crawl through trash on a timelocked server.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Skew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Given the history of this server id say this is a decent forecast.
Whatever mechanical changes are made to p99 , never be surprised at the lengths (ingenuity?) people will go to for efficient pixel:effort ratio.
I doubt crawls are coming back until mobs are rooted in place and bind points removed.
Without both those things at once there will be new strategies perfected to avoid all day crawls through trash.
If im wrong let me know how much fun youre having by your 10th 5 hour crawl through trash on a timelocked server.

I view these changes as what's in store for the new server tbh. I think these are experiments so when the real progression server starts, it will run as p99 should have.

They should keep blue up, that way the pixel hoarding neckbeards with five accounts and 20 maxed toons all with epics can bask in their vast collections of pixels forever till they die.

All the rest of the players looking for actual challenging, fun times raiding mobs with a respectful raiding scene can then go to the new server.

Blue 99 will then have the same type of reputation red 99 has now.

I actually feel like the top blue 99 raiders are worse than the players they love to criticize and look down upon who play on red.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I view these changes as what's in store for the new server tbh. I think these are experiments so when the real progression server starts, it will run as p99 should have.

They should keep blue up, that way the pixel hoarding neckbeards with five accounts and 20 maxed toons all with epics can bask in their vast collections of pixels forever till they die.

All the rest of the players looking for actual challenging, fun times raiding mobs with a respectful raiding scene can then go to the new server.

Blue 99 will then have the same type of reputation red 99 has now.

I actually feel like the top blue 99 raiders are worse than the players they love to criticize and look down upon who play on red.

Your feels are irrelevant.
Blue will survive no matter what the devs do , it will die when the power switch is flicked off.
Some consider it a challenge racing for FTEs. Some consider it a waste of time.
Some consider crawling through trash a waste of time. Others consider that a challenge.
What we should be able to agree upon is not everyone on an MMO has the same playstyle and take enjoyment in different aspects or challenges from one another.

A C/R/FFA rotation is probably what the server needs again.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Skew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your feels are irrelevant.
Blue will survive no matter what the devs do , it will die when the power switch is flicked off.
Some consider it a challenge racing for FTEs. Some consider it a waste of time.
Some consider crawling through trash a waste of time. Others consider that a challenge.
What we should be able to agree upon is not everyone on an MMO has the same playstyle and take enjoyment in different aspects or challenges from one another.

A C/R/FFA rotation is probably what the server needs again.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious about my feels and if and when the server goes down it will be due to a power switch being flicked off.

To justify the actions of "racing" and "socking" by pointing out some find it enjoyable is hilarious and nothing to stand on when trying to defend the present meta of raiding on P99 blue.

You know why they enjoy it? It's enjoyable because the ones that have the endless time to sock and batphone then mobilize quickly from one target to another easily killing them are getting all the pixels.

So because these players in particular find it fun, then the playstyle should be defended? Nah bro.

Glad the server admin is letting devs tweak and play with the servers mechanics a bit to see how to improve it now.

Just because a junkie loves his amphetamines doesn't mean it's something to defend, especially when the amphetamine causes the junkie to be disruptive and cause problems with other people around them.

Kudos for the admin and server devs taking a stand and trying to improve upon the raid scene here.

Too bad if the very small percentage of players are salty and buttsore that their meta has been changed and will probably be changed more in the future.

Luckily their feels and yours are just as irrelevant as mine are.

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too bad if the very small percentage of players are salty and buttsore that their meta has been changed and will probably be changed more in the future.

I haven't seen a single A/A member complain in this thread, or much in any of the other 4+ threads discussing the changes.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by icedwards [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't seen a single A/A member complain in this thread, or much in any of the other 4+ threads discussing the changes.

True. But outside ToV was another story lol.

Just gonna have to rotate imo. A/a/rustle/CSG

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by icedwards [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't seen a single A/A member complain in this thread, or much in any of the other 4+ threads discussing the changes.

You haven't seen me mention A/A one time in this thread.

I said the "small percentage of players" not once did I mention one member, one player's name, or one guild.

I don't need to point out the small percentage, they already voiced their displeasure with the changes on the forums.

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by Skew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your feels are irrelevant.

+1

Originally Posted by Skew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A C/R/FFA rotation is probably what the server needs again.

+2

This guy is on a roll.