Rules Clarification Request

[Ivah]

Originally Posted by shokar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is this real

That was the last ruling I heard from cylock. Maybe someone who was in Hot that day can chime in

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Andrei Chikatilo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

me 2

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Cwall 146.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well it is very concerning that fandango was suspended for training based on the video that symbiotic posted

it is even more concerning that after thoroughly explaining how the video actually proves that fandango was not the person who trained the mobs into the HoT zoneout room, cylock immediately dismisses it saying "this is our ruling."

he either simply does not understand aggro mechanics (very bad for someone with the power to suspend/ban), or he is unwilling to admit that he is wrong (very bad for someone with the power to suspend/ban)

it is compounded by the fact that he does things like going into visible ogre form while partially blocking a narrow zoneline, followed by deathtouching people in the middle of a PvP fight because they're telling him that he is stupid for doing something like that, as it got someone killed when they were trying to zone; his reasoning? "they were messaging me in tells shit talking me"

this demonstrates that his solution to a player lashing out at him is not to simply mute and/or ignore them, but kill them and risk swaying the tide of a PvP engagement; having thin skin while trying to police this community will only end poorly (see: Derubael)

even moreso, he's frequently consulting someone like Braknar for advice on rule interpretation, aka someone who also has no idea how EQ PvP works along with very little history enforcing PvP-specific rules on this server, as evident by informing people that they're allowed to kill members of a guild who are participating in force LNS, even though force LNS has never worked that way, and suspending people for dispelling raid mobs on in-range-to-PvP characters, which has been explicitly stated by Sirken and Llandris to be legal for several years now

cylock seemed to be a very good thing for this server, but if he does not figure out how things have worked and should work around here, he will end up doing more harm than good

I like some of the new rulings for small group/solo stuff because they work in my favor while I am farming.

But Mass PvP ?? I can see some problems here that need to be clarified, especially with regards to past rulings and the rules not being consistent with what the players have been used to since Velious launched. Changing the dispel rule back to the Amelinda hatchet job doesn't seem like the best idea, since you can dispel something to save for your force and kill it MUCH later. THIS IS NOT BLUE, THERE ARE NO ROTATIONS. THERE IS NO FTE. ITS NOT THEIR MOB. IF YOU CAN PREVENT A MOB FROM BEING KILLED THAT IS PVP.

Why should you need the force RIGHT NOW? That is my biggest issue.

If the dispeller is IN RANGE to be able to be stopped from saving the mob from dying, why shouldn't he be allowed to save it?

Even if you wanted Cylock's rule, The SPIRIT OF HIS OWN RULE would make enforcement action on dispel on a PvP server only legit if the offenders guild/force/team never materialized/doesn't exist at all and the guild he represents never kill the mob, and its obvious that it was being done 100% to prevent the guild from killing it for the grief factor.

That doesn't fly either, because in Force VS Force PvP, by denying raid targets this prevents the enemy from acquiring gear and improving their advantage over the other force.

Dispelling is legitimate PvP as long as they are stoppable by PvP for the aforementioned reasons.

You need to have a summit and think this through, and not just wing it.

[Videri]

lot of emotion in this thread

[MerkelMacron]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lot of emotion in this thread

[MerkelMacron]

Why all the lawyerquest? No need to be go all out SullivanCromwell

Cylock is the new sheriff in town, he will set the new precedents

He is not interpreting the rules wrong, he is the only legitimite person to interpret them at all

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[hammbone]

So if I'm the only dwarf in icekeep and felt compelled to defend my beloved emperor and protector, Dain Frostreaver, I can't use dispel to save protect my kind? Am I allowed to faction burn?

[Onigumi]

Originally Posted by Cylock [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you understand my rulings, if you come in with a force to kill a NPC or PvP, dispelling IS permitted. But one single toon by themselves chain dispelling a raid target while another guild is killing it, not on my watch! Its a lame move, and your doing nothing but trying to wipe another guild and cause them an XP loss, which is against the rules.

Hows is 3 people pelling a mob and 20 any different in both cases you dispel a mob and it kills people and they lose exp.

Originally Posted by Ivah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Breaking hide, sneak, and feign is now against the rules. Just gonna throw this out there "This us a red server. Red things happen."

This "Intentionally causing experience-loss to other players in the PvP environment is illegal in all cases and may result in disciplinary action when witnessed by a P99CSR" rule sounds like it was made to protect players leveling up or from having their binds trained but instead has been used as a cure all for staff to susp people.

the player base that's getting susp for this huge grey area of a rule is lvl 60 with max exp and rezes available. They lose maybe 1% exp.

As it's been stated 95% of the player base will run in to mobs to die rather then take a YT.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Cylock [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you understand my rulings, if you come in with a force to kill a NPC or PvP, dispelling IS permitted. But one single toon by themselves chain dispelling a raid target while another guild is killing it, not on my watch! Its a lame move, and your doing nothing but trying to wipe another guild and cause them an XP loss, which is against the rules.

This has never been a rule in all the time I've played here.

Extending this rule - it means it is no longer OK to dispel mobs in a quad kite either? I don't really want to kill the seafury, I want to make the kiters life hard so he either gates out of the zone (preferably) or I can pvp him after he has wasted resources.

So, no more pelling mobs mid-kite?

Can we also have a sticky with rules that are being made up as we go? Would help a lot, thanks.

Originally Posted by Cylock [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are correct sir, and right now there is a plan in the works for a meeting with all guild leaders on red. To avoid any type of issues in the future.

Its nice that you want to meet people and set clear rules.

Seems reasonable to lay off the suspending until these rules are made though, especially if new topics such as dispelling are involved.

[Ivah]

Originally Posted by hammbone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if I'm the only dwarf in icekeep and felt compelled to defend my beloved emperor and protector, Dain Frostreaver, I can't use dispel to save protect my kind? Am I allowed to faction burn?

Ya, cause dain is slowable. Idiot