Our neighbor Detoxx, or is it, Mr. Toxxic?

[roboshaman]

AW won't die but will probably reform/merge. And whoever recommended the name "Woke" is a genius.

I, in my meager insignificance, approve of that guild title.

[pogs4ever]

root the dragons

[srgraham69]

Originally Posted by Speedi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If all the logs and stuff are true ...

Btw, this is a totally neutral opinion, I don't care for either entity. This is coming from someone that has raided on p99 in the past and I know major raid decisions are not done instantly. It takes time to examine all the facts and then make a decision. In the past the guild(s) I have been in have broke rules, and then admitted doing so and turned over the loot and that was the end of it. I don't see what the big deal is here. Vulak didn't drop what you wanted so you take it out on your competition? That kind of thinking don't make sense. Moving on ...

Detoxx speaks to AW leadership about concession at 22:08, then Detoxx disappears after 22:20, then finally reappears again at 22:32. The disappearance tells me he wasn't to concerned about making a deal at all. But AW offered all loot to AM, and mentioned some item may have to be moved by a GM. But after seeing the loot Detoxx declines this offer. Hell AW even done the work for them (killed Vulak) and Detoxx still declines.

I think Detoxx is trying to kill the competition by getting them suspended again so he can have the raid scene to himself. I think Sirken is smart enough to see through Detoxx's scheme.

Also, Merlian (Diamondfist) the truth of why the sleeper was woke is mostly because everyone was tired, we had killed everything tons of times, the core of the membership didn't want to keep going when a lot of our members was burning out. It's not a big secret. So don't make up BS tinfoil hat conspiracy theory stuff okay? Thanks

AW had also already looted one of the items. Server staff will only transfer looted items to other players on the kill log of that dragon, which none of AM were.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Incoherent rambling

Get some new material. Shits 3 years old. Your constant posting of that wall of text clearly doesn't have the affect you want it to. I've had more loyal members, countless apps and a 120 plus active raid force follow me and I'm sure they've all seen it but they still chose my guild over your cheating, lying, manipulative and overall cancerous guild.

You been here since day one but still log in and try to wave the same e-dick you now claim is childish and on a dead server because your guild has been eating shit for the better part of 4 months.

Sorry bout your bad luck.

[Nixtar]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is tough because the competition is what's fun, but it's also extremely rare for one hardcore guild to kill the other one. It's a toss up.

P99 isn't like classic though. On Live you had actual targets for the competition, i.e. the next expansion. Here the only reward is claiming you have the best toys in an ever more crowded sandbox where it is getting harder and harder to ignore the fact the sand isn't sand anymore but foul smelling feces.

When all that's left is bitter and petty competition no wonder the end game is pure cancer.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of what decisions were made by AW in the "ample time" that AM uploaded a fraps video and started harassing and threatening AW leadership, two things are very, very clear when the dust settled and the smoke cleared:

1. AW was willing to negotiate and give AM the benefit of the doubt while the petitions were reviewed. Loot was offered from Vulak. Even the loot that was already looted was offered up via petition to have it moved to AM player. Detoxx declined. The next morning, the offer increased to include future Vulaks. Detoxx declined. It is very apparent that AW made multiple attempts to rectify this situation in a civil and timely manner without burdening the GMs with LawyerQuest yet again.
2. AM (Detoxx) was not willing to negotiate or sort this out at all. By all accounts of his actions, it is clear that once the mob was killed he had every intention of seeking a raid ban. The loot was absolute shit, and yet the loot and 2 Vulaks were offered, and he declined. So if its really about your dragon with shit loot getting cheated from you, why not take 3 dragons worth of loot? It makes no sense from a logical point of view, unless you start from the premise that he is seeking another raid ban on AW.

The horde of AM trolls in here deflecting from these very clear facts are just noise. Notice how they shift the argument to things like: "Well I wonder if you would have offered the loot if it was X,Y,Z" and "Well last time you asked us for THREE Vulaks and now you're only offering TWO!!!" and "AW will do ANYTHING for a Vulak kill" (even though AW offered you 2 uncontested Vulaks??)

They are shifting the conversation to past disputes, hypotheticals, and assumptions that defy all logic. At the end of the entire situation, what happened? You got offered 3 dragons worth of loot. What did you do? You declined. Case closed.

For server staff, the verdict is pretty clear: if AM really had a grievance and wanted recompense, why did AM not take the recompense or counter-offer? AM must not really want what they are pretending to want. Pretty simple really, the loot was shit so you'd rather take your chances trying to get AW a 40-day ban and having 4-5 Vulaks uncontested versus AW's offer of 2.

1. Wrong. You decided to give up half the loot after seeing it was shit. You then assumed GMs would move an item to someone who wasn't on the encounter log, which they will not do and this was only after my raid force logged off.

2. I was and am still willing to work it out but, as I said to Eratani, it's going to take more than 2 Vulaks and a half hearted attempt to give us half the loot. This was met with cussing, raging, and being blocked. I told him to message me if he wants to work it out. No such message has been sent.

3. It is my right and within the rules to refuse a concession just as your leadership has done to me o nearly every occasion. Want to know something funny? We pulled in a Vulak a while back and were sent fraps of something we did wrong. We dropped that Vulak and conceded it. Breaken then petitioned us for training you guys. He did the same thing over a Dozekar we dropped to concede yet I'm supposed to just forget that and "move on"?

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get some new material. Shits 3 years old. Your constant posting of that wall of text clearly doesn't have the affect you want it to. I've had more loyal members, countless apps and a 120 plus active raid force follow me and I'm sure they've all seen it but they still chose my guild over your cheating, lying, manipulative and overall cancerous guild.

You been here since day one but still log in and try to wave the same e-dick you now claim is childish and on a dead server because your guild has been eating shit for the better part of 4 months.

Sorry bout your bad luck.

Stirring the pot on rnf threads out of boredom in the past isnt e-dick waving and I could not give less of a shit about what has been going on with either guild for the past 4 months. I just like to every now and then make sure people are aware of what an over-immersed pizza baking manchild you are. If they choose to follow you anyway despite that knowledge because they want elf pixels then thats on them.

Personally I think this thread is a bad look in the first place but I do appreciate having something to read when im on break at work or taking a shit. RNF has been a pretty big snoozefest lately especially with how much lulz was shitting it up.

[Loke]

Blows my mind how much good will AW is able to squander. Go back and look at that suspension thread - look how many AM people were on AW's side saying it was a BS suspension. A lot of AM was actually excited for AW to come off raid suspension, but very first week back you guys have to get all sketchy.

I'm not talking about Bruize either - mistakes happen and its not a big deal as long as it is made right. What I'm talking about is how you guys handled it. You offer the loot, which we all know AW would never accept from AM. A full day later you offer 2 Vulaks, which again, numerous past instances show is something AW would likely not accept (e.g. demanding tears, unrelated mobs, etc). Then you come to RnF and make a post about AM's guild leader, like he's at fault and unreasonable for not being grateful for your incremental bullshit offers.

Eratani, maybe the issue isn't that we remember the past, but that you apparently don't. You can't demand to be treated fairly when you've got a history of treating others unfairly. Say AM accepts the offer of the loot, or the two Vulaks - what in your history of dealing with AM should lead us to believe that you'll remember that treat AM fairly next time roles are reversed?

[Uuruk]

Detoxx is a small dick level 20 wizard port spell.

[Daloon]

Originally Posted by Daloon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The blatant amount of lies in this thread from Awakened that have been debunked is ridiculous and insulting. I feel like I'm owed an apology.

Aftermath got royally trained by Awakened and then Awakened had the audacity to make an RNF thread about it, insulting everyone's intelligence along the way.

Awakened did train Aftermath. That is fact at this point. Considering the 2 Vulak offer, I am going to assume Awakened now agrees, despite much of this threads content.

Awakened killed the Vulak'Aerr despite fraps sitting in front of them and a request that the mob not be killed until reviewed. If I can 35-man a Vulak'Aerr for 38 straight minutes, Awakened can 75-man a primetime Vulak'Aerr for 4 extra minutes to review fraps. You still went ahead and killed it, even took DKP bids, and awarded loot.

You comically saw the worst loot imaginable of Druid Arms and Hobalt's War Helmet (Alt-Tier loot according to Awakeneds own loot policy) and was glad to offer it up, after awarding the better piece of course. Amusing.

Awakened then accused Aftermath of deleting Awakeneds' own Youtube video from Awakened's own channel on their own RNF evidence thread. Are you going to come clean on this one yet, or continue to plead ignorance? By the way, original video in this thread is still private. Want to explain why or are you just going to continue to ignore this? I'm repeating myself for a reason. Its...Still...Private... (Your...Evidence... Video...) Is...Still...Private. You claimed he will change it when home from work. It's midnight. What lie # are we are?

Awakened then had to embarrassingly have Aftermath explain to them how aggro works at Iki/Eashen after multiple claims of just about every lie imaginable regarding aggro messages, sneak mechanics, social mechanics, etc, on RNF of all places. Why did you stretch so far on this? At the end of the day, your side of the story is still a private video (and not-so-private video). You do see how ridiculous this looks on you guys, riiight? Do you understand the mechanics now, or continue to spit ignorance? Because we are on page 30+ now, so I would like to clear that one up.

Awakened then tried to upload an edited video that got leaked by their own members and showed exactly what went wrong for Bruize. Turns out he didn't sneak past as promised multiple times by multiple AW officers.

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Awakened then made complete falsehoods about past encounters with wyvern trains, debunked again halfway through this thread.

I will stop there. I just want an apology from Awakened officers and a clear understanding where exactly you stand when it comes to the 10+ lies listed in your own thread. Your video is still private, by the way.

Still waiting on answers from Awakened ITT. And your evidence video is still Private.