Question about lists for camps

[DMN]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok first off, why on God's green earth would you even do that? If you're going to give a camp to your friend, and Bob walks up and says "can I get on the list?", why would you lie and tell Bob he's on the list, and then secretly give the camp to your friend ... you would just say "sorry Bob, my friend Fred is next, but you're welcome to ask him about being next."

Because you took advantage of some suckers who bought into the infallibility of a list.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But IF you lied to Bob, told him he was next on the list, and then let your friend have the camp ... realistically Bob would probably never know, which means no GM would be brought in, which means the rules aren't even relevant.

But was the list binding? Clearly not.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if Bob was secretly sitting there invis, and saw you give the camp to his friend after he told you that you could have it, you absolutely could petition, and all else being equal you would "win" (but that "all else being equal" part is important: remember, GMs adjudicate not just on the merits of cases, but also on other factors like how polite, or not, the players involved act).

Doesn't work if they log out/go link dead. It'll be FTE.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you took advantage of some suckers who bought into the infallibility of a list.

So all this insanity is revolving around a case where player #1 deliberately lies to player #2 (despite having absolutely no incentive to do so, and despite it clearly being against the rules) and gives a camp to player #3? Do you even play on P99? Has such a situation ever even happened to you? I've been here over half a decade, and not once have I ever had any player dispute regarding lists whatsoever, let alone a dispute where someone told me I could have a camp even though they knew they were giving it to someone else.

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But was the list binding? Clearly not.

Again, even in this gonzo imaginary scenario you've concocted, it still is. If Bob lies to Fred and let's Sam take his camp, that absolutely is not allowed (again read the GM quote I posted above). Fred could petition and the GMs would (again, all else being equal) side with him.

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't work if they log out/go link dead. It'll be FTE.

Once again, you're concocting these strange arbitrary 0.01% chance scenarios and using them as some sort of justification for why the rules don't apply. Again, I GRANT that if the list holder happens to go link dead right after they kill the mob, but before they have a chance to tell the next person on the list, AND someone else is sitting their on the spawn point, notices what happens, and decides to be a jerk, they CAN take the spawn.

But nothing in my previous paragraph translates to "lists aren't really binding on P99". Not even close.

P.S. This is quickly becoming a pointless flame war. I've already more than clarified what the actual server rules are, and provided evidence supporting my position. Go ahead and get the last word in if you want, but I'm going to bow out now and let others chime in (if that's even necessary).

[DMN]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So all this insanity is revolving around a case where player #1 deliberately lies to player #2 (despite having absolutely no incentive to do so, and despite it clearly being against the rules) and gives a camp to player #3? Do you even play on P99? Has such a situation ever even happened to you? I've been here over half a decade, and not once have I ever had any player dispute regarding lists whatsoever, let alone a dispute where someone told me I could have a camp even though they knew they were giving it to someone else.

Wow, so 1 is a valid sample size to you?

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, even in this gonzo imaginary scenario you've concocted, it still is. If Bob lies to Fred and let's Sam take his camp, that absolutely is not allowed (again read the GM quote I posted above). Fred could petition and the GMs would (again, all else being equal) side with him.

How's fred going to know he's been fucked over by Bob? Whooops my cable went out. Whoops my house was burning down. Whoops timmy fell down the well...agaiin

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, you're connecting these strange arbitrary 0.01% chance scenarios and using them as some sort of justification for why the rules don't apply. Again, I GRANT that if the list holder happens to go link dead right after they kill the mob, but before they have a chance to tell the next person on the list, AND someone else is sitting their on the spawn point, notices what happens, and decides to be a jerk, they CAN take the spawn.

But nothing in my previous paragraph translates to "lists aren't really binding on P99". Not even close.

P.S. This is quickly becoming a pointless flame war. I've already more than clarified what the actual server rules are, and provided evidence supporting my position. Go ahead and get the last word in if you want, but I'm going to bow out now and let others chime in (if that's even necessary).

Yo, is the book up?