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[Castigate]

You are aware that you can legally pull mobs directly from a bard kite if they are swarming more than 4 right?
That ruling was made a long time ago when bards entirely monopolized OT.
Any bard claiming swarm camp on ANYTHING is flat out lying.

[jacobi]

I used to be in PS before they got a dkp system. Raided regularly with them for about 7 months and never received any raid target loot. Sensed something was rotten in Denmark and left. Wasn't worth hanging around for that Jiga-exploitation.

[kjs86z]

This thread is going well.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, technically he was in the wrong. By the server rules a camp is one spawn point, or possibly a very few close spawn points, so there's no way any GM would have ever considered all those mobs ä camp", especially not for one person. And on top of that, you absolutely have to be holding down every mob if you want to keep any camp on this server.

That guy was just a greedy loser who lied and yelled at you to protect mobs he couldn't kill.

solid poast. loaramin is 100% correct. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tricket]

Originally Posted by Kesselring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the lead GM said its ok to grab mobs off someones bard kite if they have more than 4 mobs.

Originally Posted by Castigate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are aware that you can legally pull mobs directly from a bard kite if they are swarming more than 4 right?

I keep hearing this in game too, but no one is able to show me a citation.
Pls can someone show me where this is eluded to in the rules?
I can understand since songs only hit 25 mobs max, that any more than that is unjustified zone disruption.
But if the limit is 25, why would 4 mobs be the restriction? we are not druids and wizards restricted to 4 mobs at a time.
I am open to the idea if there is proof, but until it is shown I will do my best to keep my swarm mine.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Tricket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep hearing this in game too, but no one is able to show me a citation.
Pls can someone show me where this is eluded to in the rules?
I can understand since songs only hit 25 mobs max, that any more than that is unjustified zone disruption.
But if the limit is 25, why would 4 mobs be the restriction? we are not druids and wizards restricted to 4 mobs at a time.
I am open to the idea if there is proof, but until it is shown I will do my best to keep my swarm mine.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings for a list of a lot of random shit

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=29

That's the specific post you're talking about. I'd be glad to have someone petition me for taking 4 mobs when they are killing 20. They'd basically be admitting to the staff that they're trying to monopolize the entire zone and push other players out. Great way to get their attitudes checked.

[bigjeff100]

Last time i was in DN killing spiders.. Some jackass bard and friends zoned in, agro'd all the spiders and kept running.. I am too afraid to leave the zone in.. So i have no idea where they ran to with all that agro.. But damn dudes, really??

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings for a list of a lot of random shit

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=29

That's the specific post you're talking about. I'd be glad to have someone petition me for taking 4 mobs when they are killing 20. They'd basically be admitting to the staff that they're trying to monopolize the entire zone and push other players out. Great way to get their attitudes checked.

While all that's true (and I'm glad to see people are using the Rulings page), keep in mind that ...

• their rulings are not always precedent-setting, and the fact that Sirken made one call five years ago does not guarantee anything now
• when Sirken made that call we didn't have the 25 mob per swarm limit, so he made it for a very different environment
• the staff would always prefer you not be the aggressor, even when defending yourself, because it makes it harder for them to to tell who is in the right when they show up
• the staff can always punish both parties if they feel like it and if both are acting poorly

In other words, the golden rule of "don't be a dick" still applies, and if it were me I'd tread carefully on taking mobs from others (even mob #5+) until the actual server rules page is updated to say its ok.

[loramin]

P.S. By "tread carefully" I don't necessarily mean I wouldn't do it, but just that I'd try to exhaust other options first, and do as much as possible to cover my ass by being polite and trying to work with the Bard before I resorted to taking mobs.

[Tricket]

I would like to distinguish a modern and legitimate 25-mob pull from the aforementioned rule because the ruling post suggests its application to quote "bards round[ing] up a hundred mobs" in 2013. I am not sure when the 25-mob restriction was implemented, but even if we continue under the assumption it was before this post.
A bard who simply has 25 or less mobs should not fall within this category, and thus should not have their swarm subject to mob theft.

Additionally, the rule also clearly places a contingency (condition) which must be met before a player can utilize it without breach. As per the ruling post, only in an instance where a player "... can not find a mob because some one is kiting more than 4 of them..." will they be permitted "to peel one off."
In many zones, OT, DL, FV, and other hot-swarm zones, 25 mobs will not sufficiently rob a non-swarming player from finding mobs to kill. Therefore they are not permitted to steal mobs from a kiting bard in this instance either.

So while seemingly zone specific (as I can respect some dungeons having under 25 mobs in a given safe area), I do not see a hard-line rule which gives players permission to pull away from a bard as long as the bard has more than 4 mobs in their swarm. Especially outdoors, where a majority of bards swarm.

Debate me, I am always open to statutory (p99 forum rule) interpretation! (for fun. Please bards, I already had to dig your shit-one-song-weaving reputation out of the dirt. Don't ruin exp grouping for me too. Be kind and let others play too)