Anyone else started EQ in P99?

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think that any of what you posted was a successful argument on your behalf? You're ego is making you delusional. The hilarious irony of the whole thing is 95% of your 'successful' responses were literally your objective opinion. Do you work for daybreak? Cause you're definitely drinking their koolaid.

I'm not even sure why you're here.

[Swish2]

You know they're biting when they separate out 7-8 quotes of a previous post.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, but neither does p99?

Neither of them are anything like Dark Souls, or anything like as hard as Dark Souls.

I stated that Classic EQ wasn't on par with Dark Souls and only alluded to it being in the same ballpark; Live has been tailgating in the parking lot. Bad metaphor?

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a ridiculous, belittling, elitist thing to say.

Followed by the disclaimer that "I'm not comparing the two games." Personally, I like pompous and silver spoons better than elitist, but at least you incorporated some alliteration.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are horrifically bad at making points and making a sound argument.

I wasn't going for a sound argument. I was going for laughably absurd, taking your literal interpretation to the extreme to add some perspective.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm being "argumentative" only in the sense that there are things being said that are demonstrably wrong, and I have the information to counter those comments with facts.

Reacting emotionally versus responding thoughtfully / arguing versus debating.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are elitist as fucking shit.

See, this would be an example of reacting emotionally.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's great you named three things that don't actually exist on p99.

Night blindness exists and the hybrid xp penalty existed for the longest time and (likely) will reemerge on the Green server.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then don't use a boy? This isn't a point, either.

Bows not being viable is a point, and a valid one at that. You, the player, are all but restricted to one form of damage output--melee--and the alternative places you at a marked disadvantage. Really, I should have just said that the entire Ranger class was the embodiment of adversity. This leads into a finer talking point, which is that classes aren't balanced here.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Limited? There isn't an infinite number of spell slots on Live, either.

Did I say Live had an infinite number? No. Live has more slots and more spells to choose from and players can expect even more in the future, just as players expected back in classic waiting for the first and second expansion.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would definitely surprise you to learn this, but actually being good at your class on Live involves key binding and manual use of your abilities.

It wouldn't...I knew that from speaking with players who went to Fippy and Phinny, and others who still play on Live. Again, players can make the effort to be exceptional but they don't have to because less demanding alternatives exist.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This...isn't adversity?

Separate banks create adversity to the extent that players often resort to ground transfers, waiting for guild members to help, or trusting complete strangers not to make off with their pixels. Those risks lead to more memorable experiences and these forums have numerous threads describing those experiences in great detail in case anyone somehow forgets them.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm offended by awful arguments and justifications.

I'm going to keep repeating this, because all the elitists are popping out of the woodwork and flying off the handle, but fundamentally having an "opinion" about something isn't something I or anyone else can take away from them.

You love the other version. Hey, good for you. Whatever floats your boat. But that can skew your perception of it. Parents are often the same way about their kids, who in their minds can do no wrong (hence the dad/daughter Barbie game metaphor).

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so, wait. Basically, you should know exactly what it's like to have someone belittle and dismiss the style and type of game you like to play, because people do that to you about p99.

But then...you turn around and do exactly that about Live, and you don't see the lesson here?

Except I wasn't belittling or being dismissive of Live; I made comparisons which you assumed were disparaging. Morrowind is harder to get a handle on than Skyrim. Fact. Morrowind offers more creative freedom for players. Fact. Morrowind came before Skyrim. Another fact. In those ways Classic EQ is more like Morrowind and Live is more like Skyrim. Opinion?

Also, the lesson here is to remain largely unaffected by what others say and to instead consider their point of view as one would when roleplaying a character. It's even easier to do online with the relative anonymity and the delay between each post.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are genuinely awful at metaphor.

You're one to judge. I fail to see the connection between the two. The metaphor only works when comparing EQ and WoW to DC and Marvel.

The three examples I used implied that while Live is still more popular, it is also more accommodating and, as a result, less rage-inducing than Classic. Yes, the playerbase on Project1999 has discovered ways of making their own accommodations, but the staff has also taken a fair number of those accommodations away, with less-than-classic fixes which have induced similar levels of rage on these forums.

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[Danth]

I don't like the "live" game because I think it looks ugly, has uninspired content design, lousy dungeons, and I detest things like NPC players (mercenaries) and alt. advance. How's that?

Danth

[Ennewi]

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[Edwadragon]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No.

Yes.

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stated that Classic EQ wasn't on par with Dark Souls and only alluded to it being in the same ballpark;

Which is horrifically inaccurate

Live has been tailgating in the parking lot. Bad metaphor?

Yup.

Followed by the disclaimer that "I'm not comparing the two games."

That you weren't comparing the two games isn't relevant. The relevance comes with the point of comparison and the dismissive, condescending attitude, which is hilaaaaaariously ironic.

If you'll notice, the only point of comparison I've made between the two games is that Live is objectively harder to play. I've made no other comments or insinuations about anything other than the horrifically elitist people that play p99.

Personally, I like pompous and silver spoons better than elitist, but at least you incorporated some alliteration.

Gosh mister.

I wasn't going for a sound argument. I was going for laughably absurd, taking your literal interpretation to the extreme to add some perspective.

Still horrifically bad at bringing anything tangible to the conversation, yup.

This isn't some meta level shit on your part.

Reacting emotionally versus responding thoughtfully / arguing versus debating.

I'll wait to be given what you consider are my emotional responses, because you're going to be wrong.

See, this would be an example of reacting emotionally.

Oh we're already there.

Lovely.

Night blindness exists and the hybrid xp penalty existed for the longest time and (likely) will reemerge on the Green server.

Oh boy!

Bows not being viable is a point, and a valid one at that. You, the player, are all but restricted to one form of damage output--melee--and the alternative places you at a marked disadvantage. Really, I should have just said that the entire Ranger class was the embodiment of adversity. This leads into a finer talking point, which is that classes aren't balanced here.

Wow you mean Classic has balancing issues?

Like how everyone says ignore every other stat and throw it into Stamina out of the gate, almost but not quite regardless of Class?

Did I say Live had an infinite number? No. Live has more slots and more spells to choose from

Yeah but not enough slots to suit all the situations and play styles, without re-memming.

Like people have to do here.

It wouldn't...I knew that from speaking with players who went to Fippy and Phinny, and others who still play on Live. Again, players can make the effort to be exceptional but they don't have to because less demanding alternatives exist.

p99 is the least demanding alternative to currently playing EverQuest, I agree.

Separate banks create adversity to the extent that players often resort to ground transfers, waiting for guild members to help, or trusting complete strangers not to make off with their pixels. Those risks lead to more memorable experiences

You literally can't quantify "more memorable"

It's not something that has anything of meaning or value outside of the immediate, subjective sense.

You could literally sum up your entire post with "I find p99 more memorable/meaningful" and just stop there, but here you are, going on about nothing.

and these forums have numerous threads describing those experiences in great detail in case anyone somehow forgets them.

People had a good time and remembered those.

That's good.

Not sure why that's separate or unique from...any good experience anyone has ever had in any avenue of life, but gosh golly gee whiz

You love the other version.

Do I? Have I said that, suggested it, or dismissed p99 as "unplayable" or made comparison between it and a game for children that "grown men" would never derive enjoyment from?

Because I'll way for you to show me where I did that, and all that you have to do is re-read this thread to see where people said that about Live.

Hey, good for you. Whatever floats your boat.

It is genuinely absurd that you're even bothering to say this.

But that can skew your perception of it.

Continuing the ironic absurdity.

Parents are often the same way about their kids, who in their minds can do no wrong (hence the dad/daughter Barbie game metaphor).

Hahaha guy.

There was no "deeper meaning" to your metaphor other than you being a fucking cunt, and being really fucking bad at making a point.

Except I wasn't belittling or being dismissive of Live; I made comparisons which you assumed were disparaging.

Now you're backtracking and lying?

Fuck off, guy.

Morrowind is harder to get a handle on than Skyrim. Fact.

Yes.

It's not relevant, but yes.

Morrowind offers more creative freedom for players.

Also true, also not relevant.

Morrowind came before Skyrim. Another fact. In those ways Classic EQ is more like Morrowind and Live is more like Skyrim. Opinion?

The meta game of Live being on a completely different level of what p99 offers completely, utterly and objectively destroys this comparison.

You are so fucking bad at this.

Also, the lesson here is to remain largely unaffected by what others say

No one here has yet evoked an "emotional" response from me.

There's people saying stupid fucking things, and me pointing out why they're fucking stupid things to say.

and to instead consider their point of view as one would when roleplaying a character. It's even easier to do online with the relative anonymity and the delay between each post.

You have a hard on for p99 and are an awful debater.

That's all I've learned from you.

You're one to judge. I fail to see the connection between the two. The metaphor only works when comparing EQ and WoW to DC and Marvel.

K?

The three examples I used implied that while Live is still more popular, it is also more accommodating

"accomodating" to what, exactly?

That's never been specified.

and, as a result, less rage-inducing than Classic.

So...even though you haven't put the same amount of time into it, you've never gotten as mad and so...that makes it...less than...what?

Yes, the playerbase on Project1999 has discovered ways of making their own accommodations, but the staff has also taken a fair number of those accommodations away, with less-than-classic fixes which have induced similar levels of rage on these forums.

So...this is about a specific kind of rage that you've felt?

Can you just say that?

"This game makes me a specific kind of angry I can't get anywhere else."

Just say that.

Don't bolster what is a perfectly fine opinion with really awful nonsense.

Just have it, own it and live it. Because that's fine.

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't like the "live" game because I think it looks ugly, has uninspired content design, lousy dungeons, and I detest things like NPC players (mercenaries) and alt. advance. How's that?

Danth

Eehhhh fair enough?

Ugly is sort of in the eye of the beholder, "uninspired content" is more mindless fluff that doesn't have any real meaning or value, particularly when basically everything that came after the original game is more or less technically "inspired" by what came before, so is kind of a backhanded way to say you don't even like the thing that you originally try to say you like, and "lousy dungeons" is something else that's just gonna make me squint and wonder wtf the reasoning behind that is, but you can not like mercenaries until the cows come home or alternate advancement and that's okay.

"I just don't like it" is the only sensible argument anyone here has brought forth.

[quido]

P99 was my first EQ and first MMO experience. Got hooked basically immediately.