Importance of ideal starting stats?

[Larethan]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, the good ol' "everyone else is wrong and I'm right" argument. Surprised it took this long to surface.

I rarely post but when something as ridiculous as 'starting stats don't matter' becomes a theme someone has to speak up for reality.

The only people who believe that starting stats don't matter are those who have accumulated enough money to get to soft caps at level 1 with twinked gear and don't remember what it's like to actually be new, or those who don't understand the game mechanics and think that stats don't matter because they can't 'see' the difference because they're ignorant and don't use parsing tools.

If you want to be a realist and make comparisons to other games, then you could say that stats are less impactful in Everquest and you would be correct.

If you want to be a realist and judge whether it's actually worth it for this guy to re-roll at level 25 after going all STR as a Dwarf Rogue then that would be a fair argument on both ends.


But saying 'starting stats don't matter', or matter very little, is completely false.

[Osprey39]

Originally Posted by Larethan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I rarely post but when something as ridiculous as 'starting stats don't matter' becomes a theme someone has to speak up for reality.

The only people who believe that starting stats don't matter are those who have accumulated enough money to get to soft caps at level 1 with twinked gear and don't remember what it's like to actually be new, or those who don't understand the game mechanics and think that stats don't matter because they can't 'see' the difference because they're ignorant and don't use parsing tools.

If you want to be a realist and make comparisons to other games, then you could say that stats are less impactful in Everquest and you would be correct.

If you want to be a realist and judge whether it's actually worth it for this guy to re-roll at level 25 after going all STR as a Dwarf Rogue then that would be a fair argument on both ends.


But saying 'starting stats don't matter', or matter very little, is completely false.

Just gonna start out with full disclosure that I have never previously and likely never will raid in EQ as I have a general dislike of raiding in any game. So call me names that are supposed to insult me like 'casual' if it makes you feel better, I don't care.

That said, you will never convince me that having 80 more hit points at level 60 makes 2 squirts of piss worth of difference. If you lived with only 80 hit points in an encounter, it wasn't that extra 20 points of stam at creation that saved you, it was luck with RNGesus. 20 points of dex might be helpful for procs but worth starting over for? Nah, not to me.

So you can put me in the camp that says starting stats are overblown. 20 points one way or the other will not make or break your character and it really won't matter to anyone that isn't a min/maxer with their built in OCD.

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Larethan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I rarely post but when something as ridiculous as 'starting stats don't matter' becomes a theme someone has to speak up for reality.

The only people who believe that starting stats don't matter are those who have accumulated enough money to get to soft caps at level 1 with twinked gear and don't remember what it's like to actually be new, or those who don't understand the game mechanics and think that stats don't matter because they can't 'see' the difference because they're ignorant and don't use parsing tools.

If you want to be a realist and make comparisons to other games, then you could say that stats are less impactful in Everquest and you would be correct.

If you want to be a realist and judge whether it's actually worth it for this guy to re-roll at level 25 after going all STR as a Dwarf Rogue then that would be a fair argument on both ends.


But saying 'starting stats don't matter', or matter very little, is completely false.

No one cares if you're doing 18 dps instead of 20 dps as a lvl 25 rogue at MM Pond groups, If you are busting out Gamparse to track your damage in exp groups you might be an insane person.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one cares if you're doing 18 dps instead of 20 dps as a lvl 25 rogue at MM Pond groups, If you are busting out Gamparse to track your damage in exp groups you might be an insane person.

You certainly might if you were duoing/soloing and all the damage was coming from the rogue. You'd be leveling 10% slower.

[Osprey39]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You certainly might if you were duoing/soloing and all the damage was coming from the rogue. You'd be leveling 10% slower.

Oh no, the horror!

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh no, the horror!

Whether or not it would bother you is irrelevant to it bothering someone else. There are people who roll halfling clerics just for the 5% exp bonus, 10% is nothing to sneeze at in a game as grindy and time consuming as EQ.

[Osprey39]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether or not it would bother you is irrelevant to it bothering someone else. There are people who roll halfling clerics just for the 5% exp bonus, 10% is nothing to sneeze at in a game as grindy and time consuming as EQ.

Well thank God the vast majority of people on this server realize long and grindy is what they signed up for and aren't dickheads like that or I'd never get groups on my ALS toons in their spartan gear.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well thank God the vast majority of people on this server realize long and grindy is what they signed up for and aren't dickheads like that or I'd never get groups on my ALS toons in their spartan gear.

You clearly didn't grasp what I said. The dickhead would, in fact, be you in my example.

[Larethan]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well thank God the vast majority of people on this server realize long and grindy is what they signed up for and aren't dickheads like that or I'd never get groups on my ALS toons in their spartan gear.

The vast majority on this server assign value to stats. If they didn't, we'd have a bunch of naked toons running around and East Commons would be empty. Farming would be useless.

The insanity in this thread is several people denying the reality that stats have value in Everquest.

Imagine if there were a drop in game that allowed you to choose +25 of any stat combination and apply it permanently to a character. Imagine the value of something like this if it were possible to trade. If you think it would be worth anything less than 200k then I have a bridge to sell you.

That's what starting stats are 'worth' to the rest of the server. Maybe you don't give a shit, but most people do. You're definitely the odd one out.

And btw, I don't give a shit if you consider yourself casual. Terms relative and not an insult imo.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one cares if you're doing 18 dps instead of 20 dps as a lvl 25 rogue at MM Pond groups, If you are busting out Gamparse to track your damage in exp groups you might be an insane person.

qft. Makes me confused when i see people twinking their rogues with anything but hp, resist and sta gear