Enchanter is the best solo class

[therealmd]

You also clearly don’t know how to use the ToT trick with enchanter shaman. The duel and ToT on shamans mana (which is basically unlimited with torp/canni) keeps the enchanters mana almost full constantly. Yeah torp slows down dps, but it’s mana efficient and really only needs to be used during downtime as long as the mob is slowed. So if having CH is all you can use to “win” this argument, you have no mind for the dynamics of EQ

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by therealmd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and really only needs to be used during downtime

I can assure you there is downtime with a shaman yes, there is zero downtime with a cleric duo though.

Not to mention the cleric can easily survive 2 aggro mobs that just killed his enchanter, log, and then rez the enchanter.

[therealmd]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can assure you there is downtime with a shaman yes, there is zero downtime with a cleric duo though.

Not to mention the cleric can easily survive 2 aggro mobs that just killed his enchanter, log, and then rez the enchanter.

I have a 60 torp shaman lol if you have downtime with an enchanter duo, you’re doing it wrong. And if you can’t survive 2 mobs on a shaman if the enchanter dies, you should probably quit.

[Danth]

Enchanter is clearly the strongest solo class, and being cheap to equip compared to its closest competitor (shaman) acts heavily in the enchanter's favor as well. Of course there's the usual disclaimer that strongest overall doesn't necessarily mean best for all individuals. I loathe trying to play enchanter because it's too random and with too much constant attention required. Give me something that's more laid-back, even if it's more limited.

As for duos, let's be realistic: clerics are favored for convenience. They can effectively heal those high-health pets without slowing 'em and they can rez the enchanter when he dies which tends to happen a lot. In terms of raw power I'm not sure there's any content enchanter/cleric can do that enchanter/shaman cannot, and the same is true vice versa. When push comes to shove there's precious little either duo can do that the enchanter can't solo if he feels like it. Power is effectively equal.

On the melee side the same is true of Monk/shaman and SK/Shaman. Folks can and do argue over minutae but in practice they end up doing the same stuff. There are only so many places to go in-game. Monks'll gain an edge if you're talking endgame equipment but prior to then, not much real difference.

Danth

[bilirubin]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for duos, let's be realistic: clerics are favored for convenience.

Clerics are favored because they are a better match for Enchanters. Duo with a well-versed cleric at a high level camp as an enchanter and they'll be stunning your pet and pulling aggro when charm breaks to keep you alive while you recover and recharm. Shamans can keep you up with Torpor but if your getting quadded by your hastened and torch-bearing pet while also being summoned, you're still going down.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by therealmd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a 60 torp shaman lol if you have downtime with an enchanter duo, you’re doing it wrong. And if you can’t survive 2 mobs on a shaman if the enchanter dies, you should probably quit.

Ah my bad I was saying while leveling so 1-59 cleric is vastly better, while at 60 you can now duo things with the enchanter as well as the cleric yay! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But at 60 anything + enchanter is just as good because you only need to kill 1 or 2 things every 30 minuets. So whats the dif?

EditL oh wait except besides necro, the cleric has the advantage for rez so boom there goes the dynamite, shamans.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by therealmd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You also clearly don’t know how to use the ToT trick with enchanter shaman. The duel and ToT on shamans mana (which is basically unlimited with torp/canni) keeps the enchanters mana almost full constantly. Yeah torp slows down dps, but it’s mana efficient and really only needs to be used during downtime as long as the mob is slowed. So if having CH is all you can use to “win” this argument, you have no mind for the dynamics of EQ

Can someone elaborate on this? I feel like we've got one guy saying "y'all aren't doing Shaman/Enchanter right", and a bunch of people saying "but Cleric/Enchanter rocks!" .. but no one's really talking about his point that ToT + Duel + Shaman = limitless mana for the Enchanter.

Is it that limitless mana isn't useful to Enchanters? They only need so much, and beyond that extra doesn't help? Or does it help, and it's just that stuns/CH helps more?

[Crede]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can someone elaborate on this? I feel like we've got one guy saying "y'all aren't doing Shaman/Enchanter right", and a bunch of people saying "but Cleric/Enchanter rocks!" .. but no one's really talking about his point that ToT + Duel + Shaman = limitless mana for the Enchanter.

Is it that limitless mana isn't useful to Enchanters? They only need so much, and beyond that extra doesn't help? Or does it help, and it's just that stuns/CH helps more?

You can easily ToT a cleric with c2. They’re still a better duo partner. Stun command, ch, and Aego are just too OP.

Most powerful duo - cleric/enchanter
fastest leveling duo - enc/druid or enc/necro