Necro's and Shamans wont get charm as per Rogean.

Sillyturtle · #1 10-13-2019, 03:24 AM

He replied to my bug thread.

I am disappointed that they're cherrypicking classic things.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...20#post2983120

Dolalin · #2 10-13-2019, 03:44 AM

To be fair to them it is a thorny change with some unanswered mechanics questions of how the resistance/charisma checks would work, and it was very clearly unbalanced at the time.

**nilbog** · #3 10-13-2019, 03:46 AM

Due to the finite time between the initial bug report about this issue and the release date of the Green server, I do not feel it is appropriate to allow charm for classes without fully reviewing the potential repercussions.

This may or may not change in the future.

Sillyturtle · #4 10-13-2019, 03:46 AM

EDIT:Removed because I was heated.

I will say that balance doesn't and shouldnt' come into it, considering all the other changes that have been made and Balance has never been a consideration from all appearances. It was in, and should be put in. We have stupid things like 4 mob limit just because it existed.

I hope that this decision is reverted, in time for necro's to use it before the patch that it gets removed comes around.

Baler · #5 10-13-2019, 04:37 AM

Staff are more likely to add things that hinder players and less likely to add things that benefit players.

This isn't a disrespectful statement but it is the truth.

I've had conversations with people on this subject. When you give people an inch they'll take a mile so it's easy to see how players may try to take advantage of a bug report to make the game easier. There is however a blatant pattern in the bug report sections of threads where things that hinder players get reviewed/pushed through more quickly.

And yes I understand the staff are very busy with green I'm in no way trying to undermine their efforts. Nothing but Pras for the p99 staff coming from this poster.

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Also Green (2019) will still have bugs and some non-classic things. Future Green servers will be much more complete in their classic mechanics, gameplay etc. This is a great thing for P99 and P99's future. We are lucky to be getting it.

DMN · #6 10-13-2019, 04:55 AM

HAHA in not thinking adding charm to necro's will make the game harder. Every necro NPC 24 or over will double if not triple in difficulty.

As far as players I really don't see the issue. Bards have mana free charm and mez and magic resist lowering spells and I don't even need to mention enchanters. Charming gives up the reliable DPS of the pet. when the top necro pets were hitting in the low 70s + haste they were at least as good as unhasted charmed without any risk of breaks and constant life/mana drain.

Izmael · #7 10-13-2019, 05:34 AM

Charm used to be a non-concern back then because barely anyone bothered (people were scared of pet being "pissed at them" and that their pet might "kill" them.).

Charm is a big deal on P99 because people have 20 years of EQ experience and learned to leverage it to a great extent and great gains.

You can't just add charm to necros and shamans on P99 on a whim as it may completely change / break the whatever imperfect class balance we've had since P99 exists and compromise the launch of Green.

Kanuvan · #8 10-13-2019, 05:48 AM

#nochanges can stay in classic World of warcraft, im all for a more balanced eq1, you could always stay on blue for the OP classes

Dolalin · #9 10-13-2019, 05:56 AM

I think the charm spell should still be added to NPCs if not players. This was part of the classic difficulty of necro NPCs like Meldrath, Nixx Nenix, Mistmoore etc.

DMN · #10 10-13-2019, 06:00 AM

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Charm used to be a non-concern back then because barely anyone bothered (people were scared of pet being "pissed at them" and that their pet might "kill" them.).

Charm is a big deal on P99 because people have 20 years of EQ experience and learned to leverage it to a great extent and great gains.

You can't just add charm to necros and shamans on P99 on a whim as it may completely change / break the whatever imperfect class balance we've had since P99 exists and compromise the launch of Green.

I always find this logic incredibly annoying.

I wouldn't flatter yourself with "20 years experience".

charm is powerful on blue only because of the mob scaling in kunark and velious relative to pets, and the enchanter then adds a flat multiplier in haste, and a cleric can add a flat multiplier of efficiency with complete heal on top of that. they exaggerate the scaling differential. And we can throw I the easy mode pet window, the easy mode hot keys/bar.