The line for JCP is a terrible concept

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get how people selling it is a problem either. The point of this rant is that it takes too long to camp for the prod. A solution for that is to buy it. Don't want to spend time camping it or the plat to buy it? Don't go to HS; or better yet just uninstall EQ if it's too hard.

That's not the rant at all actually. The rant is that you can just log in, afk, get loot. I would love to spend 12 hours straight camping it, so long as I had to actively be at my keyboard and everybody else in line did too or they lost their spot. The argument is that it's actually too easy to get in it's current form so long as you have a steady connection and nothing else you want to do on your character. The line would shrink by at least half if people couldn't go afk for hours on end while camping this item.

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GMs suggested forming a wait line, but in a "do what you want, as long as everyone here is ok with it" manner; it is the players on the camp who have bastardized that suggestion to become "go afk as long as you want, as long as you don't go offline for more than 20 minutes".

I hate everything about this zone now. because of this camp. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Friday]

Came here thinking it was about JC Penny's.

Now I'm leaving because its not.

[Sponge]

Amelinda clearly stated to me that the whole 'offline' for twenty minutes is only valid if you go offline because of the server going down/crashing, and the twenty minute timer starts when the server is once again available to log in to. If you go offline by your own accord (camp or LD due to your own connection), you do not have twenty minutes.

[senna]

Im fine with waiting in lines for stuff.. all I know is handing camps off to friends and keeping a camp locked down for days is the gayest thing known to mankind

[Strifer]

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You're right this shit's way overcamped damn I guess I'm going to have to move to the Kohl's camp, less loot but quicker spawn times.

[Rais]

I'm fine with friends being handed off a camp. The problem was guilds were threatening their own guild members if they lost/gave the camp to someone out side the guild. Just so they can lock down the zone for a month+.

The _ONLY_ reason this even happened is because TR wanted the zone to themselves. Why? Because a good portion of them could exploit pathing bugs and level pretty damn fast. Is that the only reason? No,but a good hand full did end up getting caught. It's bad apples in a big bunch type thing. I'm sure someone in DA,Doze, TMO, or VD would have done the same thing.


Another issue was passing the camp off to a guild that didn't have the other key part, as long as they were still in control who got the camp. The sad thing is, the other guilds didn't tell TR to fuck off. Divinity decided to lick their balls and try and go with the flow and get their scraps.

After this long of a wait of having 2 guilds dick over the rest of the server, that's when petitions started to flow. I think the straw that broke the camels back, was a TR officer trying to dictate how the camp was to be handled while talking to Uth.

Don't blame the result of how Camps, or Raid targets are ran. It's our own faults for not policing the server. Every major guild has a cycle. Every top guild ended up being shit bags to the rest of the server, and they died out,reformed and tried again only after long,long periods of times of being like that.

IB,DA,WI,Trans., and TR will be next. It's a recycled guild formed from IB and DA. Lot of good people,but a some dirt bags also. Little things like cockblocking other guilds goes a long way,in the lifespan of the "Uber" guild of the server.

ib4 anyone saying I hate TR. I just call it how it is, and I know what happened. Dealing with that shit every day for over a month was horse shit.

[Dravingar]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm fine with friends being handed off a camp. The problem was guilds were threatening their own guild members if they lost/gave the camp to someone out side the guild. Just so they can lock down the zone for a month+.

The _ONLY_ reason this even happened is because TR wanted the zone to themselves. Why? Because a good portion of them could exploit pathing bugs and level pretty damn fast. Is that the only reason? No,but a good hand full did end up getting caught. It's bad apples in a big bunch type thing. I'm sure someone in DA,Doze, TMO, or VD would have done the same thing.


Another issue was passing the camp off to a guild that didn't have the other key part, as long as they were still in control who got the camp. The sad thing is, the other guilds didn't tell TR to fuck off. Divinity decided to lick their balls and try and go with the flow and get their scraps.

After this long of a wait of having 2 guilds dick over the rest of the server, that's when petitions started to flow. I think the straw that broke the camels back, was a TR officer trying to dictate how the camp was to be handled while talking to Uth.

Don't blame the result of how Camps, or Raid targets are ran. It's our own faults for not policing the server. Every major guild has a cycle. Every top guild ended up being shit bags to the rest of the server, and they died out,reformed and tried again only after long,long periods of times of being like that.

IB,DA,WI,Trans., and TR will be next. It's a recycled guild formed from IB and DA. Lot of good people,but a some dirt bags also. Little things like cockblocking other guilds goes a long way,in the lifespan of the "Uber" guild of the server.

ib4 anyone saying I hate TR. I just call it how it is, and I know what happened. Dealing with that shit every day for over a month was horse shit.

Only one person was caught exploiting pathing in the zone and I believe he was kicked after because we don't condone exploiting and it's called a guild first mentality. No one was threatened in guild or anything, quite the opposite we had a huge waiting list of people wanting to get into HS because it was the best XP in game but wouldn't be once retards got in zone and started claiming West Inner was a camp.

If I'm not mistaken, the whole FIFO rule came into play when a BDA ranger died to chanc and then TMO jacked it and they had a cripple fight over who got camp so GM's got sick of it.

[Stumpes]

Meh, just wait the thing out and farm some plat. It will be under 5k within a month or so.

[enatomi]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the fuck is the difference between sitting there staring at a monitor with your thumb up your ass and actually doing something away from the computer while you wait 20 hours? There's none except the former is stupid. You're waiting for your turn on a 4 hour spawn, why the hell should you have to stare at a wall in LOIO for it to be valid?

The difference is the misery you put in for the former to get that item, so only those who really wanted it could have it. That's what camping a spawn used to be all about on live. You'd turn yourself into a crack head for 20+ hours, and only you or others who have done the same can explain the feeling when you get that item. You really deserved it at that point.

The way this JCP line is set up allows you to bypass that misery. You really don't have to put in any pain or give two shits about the item for the reward. You can claim a spot, AFK while you do something you would have otherwise done anyway if you weren't playing EQ, and score. This does not reward anybody.